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Yet another lengthy piece I feel compelled to put out, though my advice is to skip it. Should you read anyway, share your own storage arrangement down below.
Greetings from your local definitely-not-a-fed acquaintance. Life has thrown plenty my way lately, but since nobody requested that update, I'll jump right into the subject nobody requested either. Storage. Starting point: when you've sunk a few grand into peptides, being careless about how long they last strikes me as absurd. So regardless of whether you figure these compounds are indestructible or delicate, either way I'd hand them the finest quarters available, which boils down to watching 3 variables: temp, temp fluctlation, and humidity.
Complete disclosure: my absolutely-not-federal job has zero connection to medicine, so my knowledge level matches anyone who has "done there own research." Peer reviewed studies aren't something I read. This forum, YouTube videos, and a college degree earned without AI ghostwriting my essays are my sources, plus the occasional tism-fueled Google search rabbit hole. That's the whole toolkit on my side, while a lifetime of lead and micro plastic's works against me. So call out any errors I make, and ideally we all keep things civil.
With that handled, temperature. The debate. Street-level chatter amounts to a vague warning against parking these in a hot garage or beside a heater, plus the usual hierarchy of room temp < fridge < freezer. On the side against obsessing over it sits the Janoshik talk and the anecdotal evidence he provided in that he tested a peptide with minimum degration that had been forgotten about in his garage for years, so if haphazard storage appeals to you, there's some justification that it's okay, except that peptide wasn't sema/tirz/Reta, and how fragile those turn out to be over the long haul remains genuinely unknown. Testing seems to show later tests of a batch generally scoring worse in purity which effects yield. My read is that these are fragile, perhaps not fragile enough to fret over shaking during reconstitution (though why gamble), yet degrade they do/will, with the amount hinging on which factory in China and the lyophilization process. The nearest thing to an official medical stance is this: if a freezer at -40 freedom units is available, use it. No better environment exists.
Which points to a medical freezer, except those run expensive and tend to be small. The superior compromise: Amazon carries chest freezers marketed as ultra low/ super low, typically advertising an "upgraded compressor," and those units reach -40 freedom degree's. Multiple people, multiple names/sellers, presumably 1 factory in China. Mine is one of these, and temp guns confirm it genuinely hits those low temps. Anybody stockpiling who can swing the cost should grab one IMHO. It's working for me. Now, I wish this were a sales pitch and I'd put in the effort, but my garage lacks the room to launch an Amazon freezer reseller operation, otherwise a link would already be sitting in this post. That's everything I've got to demonstrate my lack of personal gain bias. Anyways if you consider yourself serious I would consider one of these.
Two temp fluctlation. Chest freezers don't usually cycle, and I don't believe the Amazon ones do either, given the ice buildup I'm seeing. Even so, temp fluctlation is not a good idea for long term storage, and a deep freezer may be something you neither want nor have room for. Next point: the 3d printed storage cases and original packaging are not long term storage's best answer. The best most available easy storage is to get Hydrapeak 32oz food jars. Storage trays that fit inside can be bought or 3d printed, and 68 3ml vials per jar is what I figure, which strikes me as pretty good. Not overly large, available in multiple colors, they're pretty peak. That's my recommendation, though honestly any thermos beats those 3d print storage cases. A thermos matters even more if you're stuck with a different freezer that runs thawing cycles. The 3d cases are fun, trust me, they served as my storage backbone for awhile, but preventing thermal transfer is essentially not something they do. And they let in one last problem.
Humidity. Lyophilization, for anyone who didn't know, is freeze drying. Freezers build up ice for a reason, bring in thawing and those caps and crimps don't strike me as infinitly impermeable. Humidity reaching the pucks will degrade them. Back to the 3dcases, I was noticing even if light a frost buildup inside them and on the vials. Thier often tpu ring around the seal is not a real seal stop pretending. The solution here again is one a thermos/ the hydrapeak and two 3d printed 3ml vial sized silica gel holders. See print here https://makerworld.com/en/models/1378681-3ml-vial-sized-desiccant-jar-v2#profileId-1426649. Silica gel tends to be cheap, so dropping a few of these into your sealed thermos should leave you sitting pretty.
Wrapping up, particularly for anyone who has put real money into hoarding, consider the peace of mind available pretty cheaply I might add from nothing more than a thermos and some desecant. Doing it my way isn't mandatory, even if it is superior to all others /s (but only the attitude). What I'm driving at is take pride in your work if your a researcher and not just some junky, whether you do this because you can't afford alternatives or not prove yourself an intelligent person. Just a used thermos and desecant in a freezer is decent insurance and added longevity and a lot better than just a fridge hoard. If you feel called out think about it a little harder. Throw in a -40 degree freezer that while small is affordable for what it provides and still big enough for probably dozens of hydrapeaks and therefore 1000+ vials, and what you've got is something I think a doctor scientist would say is the best storage you can provide as a normie, roughly 99% as good as a lab freezer environment. More too long posts are coming, now please discuss.
View: https://youtu.be/vz51ymeEqsU
This guy is pretty cool he is mostly just selling stuff for rookie pricing, but I don't think he is a bad dude and his community seems about as nice as ours here. Covers some of what I talked about.
Greetings from your local definitely-not-a-fed acquaintance. Life has thrown plenty my way lately, but since nobody requested that update, I'll jump right into the subject nobody requested either. Storage. Starting point: when you've sunk a few grand into peptides, being careless about how long they last strikes me as absurd. So regardless of whether you figure these compounds are indestructible or delicate, either way I'd hand them the finest quarters available, which boils down to watching 3 variables: temp, temp fluctlation, and humidity.
Complete disclosure: my absolutely-not-federal job has zero connection to medicine, so my knowledge level matches anyone who has "done there own research." Peer reviewed studies aren't something I read. This forum, YouTube videos, and a college degree earned without AI ghostwriting my essays are my sources, plus the occasional tism-fueled Google search rabbit hole. That's the whole toolkit on my side, while a lifetime of lead and micro plastic's works against me. So call out any errors I make, and ideally we all keep things civil.
With that handled, temperature. The debate. Street-level chatter amounts to a vague warning against parking these in a hot garage or beside a heater, plus the usual hierarchy of room temp < fridge < freezer. On the side against obsessing over it sits the Janoshik talk and the anecdotal evidence he provided in that he tested a peptide with minimum degration that had been forgotten about in his garage for years, so if haphazard storage appeals to you, there's some justification that it's okay, except that peptide wasn't sema/tirz/Reta, and how fragile those turn out to be over the long haul remains genuinely unknown. Testing seems to show later tests of a batch generally scoring worse in purity which effects yield. My read is that these are fragile, perhaps not fragile enough to fret over shaking during reconstitution (though why gamble), yet degrade they do/will, with the amount hinging on which factory in China and the lyophilization process. The nearest thing to an official medical stance is this: if a freezer at -40 freedom units is available, use it. No better environment exists.
Which points to a medical freezer, except those run expensive and tend to be small. The superior compromise: Amazon carries chest freezers marketed as ultra low/ super low, typically advertising an "upgraded compressor," and those units reach -40 freedom degree's. Multiple people, multiple names/sellers, presumably 1 factory in China. Mine is one of these, and temp guns confirm it genuinely hits those low temps. Anybody stockpiling who can swing the cost should grab one IMHO. It's working for me. Now, I wish this were a sales pitch and I'd put in the effort, but my garage lacks the room to launch an Amazon freezer reseller operation, otherwise a link would already be sitting in this post. That's everything I've got to demonstrate my lack of personal gain bias. Anyways if you consider yourself serious I would consider one of these.
Two temp fluctlation. Chest freezers don't usually cycle, and I don't believe the Amazon ones do either, given the ice buildup I'm seeing. Even so, temp fluctlation is not a good idea for long term storage, and a deep freezer may be something you neither want nor have room for. Next point: the 3d printed storage cases and original packaging are not long term storage's best answer. The best most available easy storage is to get Hydrapeak 32oz food jars. Storage trays that fit inside can be bought or 3d printed, and 68 3ml vials per jar is what I figure, which strikes me as pretty good. Not overly large, available in multiple colors, they're pretty peak. That's my recommendation, though honestly any thermos beats those 3d print storage cases. A thermos matters even more if you're stuck with a different freezer that runs thawing cycles. The 3d cases are fun, trust me, they served as my storage backbone for awhile, but preventing thermal transfer is essentially not something they do. And they let in one last problem.
Humidity. Lyophilization, for anyone who didn't know, is freeze drying. Freezers build up ice for a reason, bring in thawing and those caps and crimps don't strike me as infinitly impermeable. Humidity reaching the pucks will degrade them. Back to the 3dcases, I was noticing even if light a frost buildup inside them and on the vials. Thier often tpu ring around the seal is not a real seal stop pretending. The solution here again is one a thermos/ the hydrapeak and two 3d printed 3ml vial sized silica gel holders. See print here https://makerworld.com/en/models/1378681-3ml-vial-sized-desiccant-jar-v2#profileId-1426649. Silica gel tends to be cheap, so dropping a few of these into your sealed thermos should leave you sitting pretty.
Wrapping up, particularly for anyone who has put real money into hoarding, consider the peace of mind available pretty cheaply I might add from nothing more than a thermos and some desecant. Doing it my way isn't mandatory, even if it is superior to all others /s (but only the attitude). What I'm driving at is take pride in your work if your a researcher and not just some junky, whether you do this because you can't afford alternatives or not prove yourself an intelligent person. Just a used thermos and desecant in a freezer is decent insurance and added longevity and a lot better than just a fridge hoard. If you feel called out think about it a little harder. Throw in a -40 degree freezer that while small is affordable for what it provides and still big enough for probably dozens of hydrapeaks and therefore 1000+ vials, and what you've got is something I think a doctor scientist would say is the best storage you can provide as a normie, roughly 99% as good as a lab freezer environment. More too long posts are coming, now please discuss.
View: https://youtu.be/vz51ymeEqsU
This guy is pretty cool he is mostly just selling stuff for rookie pricing, but I don't think he is a bad dude and his community seems about as nice as ours here. Covers some of what I talked about.
