Seeking authentic TB4 sources

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birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

From what I know, Tb500 doesn't carry a higher price tag.

That Tb4 cost mentioned by the other person here came out of a GB, and those tend to run lower than what you'd pay from Chinese sources.

edit: Also, my take is that TB4 is the superior option, given how much trickier it is to locate and how frequently it gets mislabeled

Hold on, really? TB 500 is consistently less expensive? Isn't that the case?

not sure man from what I can tell, tb5 is everywhere while tb4 is tougher to find. and yeah, obviously prices will vary by place for each one.

From what I've seen in my own purchases, tb4 consistently costs more.

Right, that's exactly my point.

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

Smiter made that claim, and I pointed out to him that TB500 doesn't cost more. He likely assumed it because another person shared a low TB4 price from a GB that most people here wouldn't know about.

So?

 

[CNCCurrency]

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

From what I know, Tb500 doesn't carry a higher price tag.

That Tb4 cost mentioned by the other person here came out of a GB, and those tend to run lower than what you'd pay from Chinese sources.

edit: Also, my take is that TB4 is the superior option, given how much trickier it is to locate and how frequently it gets mislabeled

Hold on, really? TB 500 is consistently less expensive? Isn't that the case?

not sure man from what I can tell, tb5 is everywhere while tb4 is tougher to find. and yeah, obviously prices will vary by place for each one.

From what I've seen in my own purchases, tb4 consistently costs more.

Right, that's exactly my point.

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

Smiter made that claim, and I pointed out to him that TB500 doesn't cost more. He likely assumed it because another person shared a low TB4 price from a GB that most people here wouldn't know about.

If anyone comes across TB4 being sold cheaply, I'd really like to know—please share an update if that turns out to be the case.

 

[birdwhacker]

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

From what I know, Tb500 doesn't carry a higher price tag.

That Tb4 cost mentioned by the other person here came out of a GB, and those tend to run lower than what you'd pay from Chinese sources.

edit: Also, my take is that TB4 is the superior option, given how much trickier it is to locate and how frequently it gets mislabeled

Hold on, really? TB 500 is consistently less expensive? Isn't that the case?

not sure man from what I can tell, tb5 is everywhere while tb4 is tougher to find. and yeah, obviously prices will vary by place for each one.

From what I've seen in my own purchases, tb4 consistently costs more.

Right, that's exactly my point.

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

Smiter made that claim, and I pointed out to him that TB500 doesn't cost more. He likely assumed it because another person shared a low TB4 price from a GB that most people here wouldn't know about.

If anyone comes across TB4 being sold cheaply, I'd really like to know—please share an update if that turns out to be the case.

If that counts, Aavant sells it at $1.5 per milligram!

 

[CNCCurrency]

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

CNCCurrency said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

From what I know, Tb500 doesn't carry a higher price tag.

That Tb4 cost mentioned by the other person here came out of a GB, and those tend to run lower than what you'd pay from Chinese sources.

edit: Also, my take is that TB4 is the superior option, given how much trickier it is to locate and how frequently it gets mislabeled

Hold on, really? TB 500 is consistently less expensive? Isn't that the case?

not sure man from what I can tell, tb5 is everywhere while tb4 is tougher to find. and yeah, obviously prices will vary by place for each one.

From what I've seen in my own purchases, tb4 consistently costs more.

Right, that's exactly my point.

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Smiter said:

birdwhacker said:

Could you explain your interest in tb4? Since it has a shorter duration than tb5, wouldn't tb4 be the inferior option?

I'm asking since I've got some tb500 headed my way

I had the same assumption, but then I came across another person saying the complete thymosin outperforms TB-500. I'm curious about what distinctions people noticed, since the cost gap matters a lot.

gusterbuster said:

Hmm, isn't it the other way around? As in, all sellers claim tb500 while what they're really offering is tb4?

Alright, I've just worked it out.

The full-chain peptide is TB4, and it's the one that actually works better.

TB500, on the other hand, is the short-chain version.

For some reason though, TB500 sticks around in the body longer. TB4 clears faster, yet it still delivers stronger effects. Many peptides are only present for a few minutes, but they set off cascade reactions

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Has anyone combined TB/BPC with bronchogen?

That's a difficult one.. which option comes out ahead? TB-500 being priced so much higher has to have some explanation.

Smiter made that claim, and I pointed out to him that TB500 doesn't cost more. He likely assumed it because another person shared a low TB4 price from a GB that most people here wouldn't know about.

If anyone comes across TB4 being sold cheaply, I'd really like to know—please share an update if that turns out to be the case.

If that counts, Aavant sells it at $1.5 per milligram!

Got a link?

 

[Danger1212]

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

 

[CNCCurrency]

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

 

[CNCCurrency]

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

A TB 500 COA won't list TB 4 anywhere—it just says TB 500, as shown here

 

[Danger1212]

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

A TB 500 COA won't list TB 4 anywhere—it just says TB 500, as shown hereView attachment 11535

I appreciate you explaining that — this stack is new territory for me.

Given that T4 has a shorter half-life, how should the research dosage be given?

Would it be split into 2 doses per day?

500mcg in the morning

500mcg in the evening

 

[CNCCurrency]

Danger1212 said:

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

A TB 500 COA won't list TB 4 anywhere—it just says TB 500, as shown hereView attachment 11535

I appreciate you explaining that — this stack is new territory for me.

Given that T4 has a shorter half-life, how should the research dosage be given?

Would it be split into 2 doses per day?

500mcg in the morning

500mcg in the evening

Give this site a shot

https://pep-pedia.org/peptides/thymosin-beta-4

 

[Danger1212]

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

A TB 500 COA won't list TB 4 anywhere—it just says TB 500, as shown hereView attachment 11535

I appreciate you explaining that — this stack is new territory for me.

Given that T4 has a shorter half-life, how should the research dosage be given?

Would it be split into 2 doses per day?

500mcg in the morning

500mcg in the evening

Give this site a shot

https://pep-pedia.org/peptides/thymosin-beta-4

That was super useful. Thanks a lot for the assist!!

I grabbed a kit for my own KLOW stack investigation, and there's a ton of info to sort through.

 

[rokowho]

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

Given that TB4 is the full-length peptide while tb500 is a short synthetic fragment, what reason would a COA have for mentioning TB500 in the first place—much less putting it ahead of everything else?

 

[CNCCurrency]

rokowho said:

CNCCurrency said:

Danger1212 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Kirbyzx6 said:

Hi, many suppliers list their tb500 (7 amino acids) as TB4 (43 amino acids).

Does anyone know of vendors offering genuine TB4? I've bought from nexaph previously, though it costs as much as $252 per kit. Ordering from CN is okay with me.

Thanks

True TB4 is a 43-amino-acid protein, while tb500 is only a man-made piece of it. When janoshik runs the test, TB4 comes up under names like aavant, uther, and nexaph. What sets them apart is that TB4 occurs naturally in the body and is there for healing. TB500, by contrast, is a synthetic mixture that copies TB4 and costs far less to make.

Human trials for wound / tissue repair and cardiac repair have been done with TB4, but not with tb500. Plenty of sellers label their 7-strand tb500 as TB4, and that label is wrong.

The CoA lists TB 500 (TB4) — so which is it, TB 500 or TB4?

That's a certificate of analysis for TB4.

Given that TB4 is the full-length peptide while tb500 is a short synthetic fragment, what reason would a COA have for mentioning TB500 in the first place—much less putting it ahead of everything else?

TB4 is the complete-length version, and for the other question, Janoshik would likely be the one to ask.