Reta Titration

Jimmymiro12

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Did my first dose of Reta on 7/12 and second on 7/19

Both were 0.5mg

Curious when do I know if I should titrate up? I’m down 6lbs from starting weight

No changes to diet, exercise etc

Thanks in advance
 
The general answer you will find is... everyone is different.

If you are losing weight at the current dose, don't change. If the effects you have are strong enough for you, don't change.

0.5mg is a small dose, and if you are seeing the impact of it then this is great. Stay on this until you feel it's not working for you as well any more and then if you feel you still need to lose weight, then up it .5mg on your next injection.

You are losing weight - this is a good thing - enjoy it...
 
There are no studies of Reta at a dosage this low. If you have not changed your caloric intake or output, it is unlikely that you have lost six pounds of fat from glucagon receptor agnosim after two 0.5 mg doses.
 
Give it at least the full four weeks each step. Reta is powerful stuff. And as others have said, effective doses vary from person to person.
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


Did my first dose of Reta on 7/12 and second on 7/19

Both were 0.5mg

Curious when do I know if I should titrate up? I’m down 6lbs from starting weight

No changes to diet, exercise etc

Thanks in advance

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I started a short time before you. I went two weeks pinning 0.5 3 x a week. I had no issues or side effects other than it messing with my sleep. This Saturday I decided to move to 1 mg per week. The 1st 1mg shot so far has not cause me any issues again other than messing with my sleep. I can't say it has quited noise a lot but I do seem to not have urge to eat as much and fill up faster. I will stay on this for a few weeks and then if no issues consider to maybe move up to 2mg a week but will play it by ear.
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


Did my first dose of Reta on 7/12 and second on 7/19

Both were 0.5mg

Curious when do I know if I should titrate up? I’m down 6lbs from starting weight

No changes to diet, exercise etc

Thanks in advance

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I think what people say about listening to your symptoms and upping slowly is wise. I first did 1 mg, felt no effect and immediately bumped to 2 mg for 4 weeks, now I'm at 3 mg. From what I remember 2 mg was the lowest starting dose from the clinical trials
 
0.5mg is a very conservative , I would say overcautious starting dose. But there are defintely people on this forum who describe having a pretty bad time starting at 2 mg, despite the fact that that is the drug company standard protocol, and they would know how often people got unpleasant side effects from that starting dose and decided it was reasonable.

Depends a bit on what you are trying to achieve, If you are mildly overweight , going up very slowly to fairly low max doses is probably reasonable, but for more severe obesity going up a bit less slowly to maximum doses ( unless weight loss rates, and hunger control at lower doses are fine ) makes sense.

Anyone on GLP drugs should look at glp plotter so you understand the way these drugs are absorbed and removed from the body , the week long half life is very different to nearly all other drugs, and it is not intuitively obvious at all.

The main guide to dose increases is effects or side effects, or weight loss. If you have zero effects at 0.5mg, going to 1mg in a week or 2 rather than waiting 4 weeks is really very safe, not zero risk as that is never possible, but given you are starting below standard start doses, waiting 4 weeks to increase is probably not needed if there are no effects, if there are effects or side effects then going up more slowly makes sense. There is no way to know in advance whether you will have appetite suppression or side effects at 1mg or 8mg until you get there, but generally mild effects or mild side effects can be a useful guide for what to expect next time you increase doses, and suggest that the next dose increase be delayed or smaller. One potential issue with starting that low and slow is it could take 6 months to get to a dose where it starts doing anything if you are someone who does not respond to low doses, I think even fairly patient people would get pretty annoyed by that.
 
colg8r said:


There are no studies of Reta at a dosage this low. If you have not changed your caloric intake or output, it is unlikely that you have lost six pounds of fat from glucagon receptor agnosim after two 0.5 mg doses.

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Excellent answer

Based on trial results symptoms, glucagon symptoms i.e., activation seems to be above 4 mg + doses
 
As long as you see results, stick to the dosage. It really doesn't matter what studies say, everybody is different, the studies give median data. If you are a hyper responder, good for you, low dosage is both cheaper and safer. When results start to diminish, increase dose conservatively and stay at the increased dose for at least 3 weeks to assess properly the results. Some people don't respond at 20mg/day, for them life sucks
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


Did my first dose of Reta on 7/12 and second on 7/19

Both were 0.5mg

Curious when do I know if I should titrate up? I’m down 6lbs from starting weight

No changes to diet, exercise etc

Thanks in advance

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That's likely water weight. I did 5-3lbs my first few weeks at 2mg. Then settled in 1-3lbs/week. I averaged 2lbs/week in my 55lb loss.
 
beingthere said:


As long as you see results, stick to the dosage. It really doesn't matter what studies say, everybody is different, the studies give median data. If you are a hyper responder, good for you, low dosage is both cheaper and safer. When results start to diminish, increase dose conservatively and stay at the increased dose for at least 3 weeks to assess properly the results. Some people don't respond at 20mg/day, for them life sucks

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This is the answer. Stick to the lowest effective dose, where you are loosing at least 0.5lb a week and can tolerate the side effects.
 
lessthanhalf said:


0.5mg is a very conservative , I would say overcautious starting dose. But there are defintely people on this forum who describe having a pretty bad time starting at 2 mg, despite the fact that that is the drug company standard protocol, and they would know how often people got unpleasant side effects from that starting dose and decided it was reasonable.

Depends a bit on what you are trying to achieve, If you are mildly overweight , going up very slowly to fairly low max doses is probably reasonable, but for more severe obesity going up a bit less slowly to maximum doses ( unless weight loss rates, and hunger control at lower doses are fine ) makes sense.

Anyone on GLP drugs should look at glp plotter so you understand the way these drugs are absorbed and removed from the body , the week long half life is very different to nearly all other drugs, and it is not intuitively obvious at all.

The main guide to dose increases is effects or side effects, or weight loss. If you have zero effects at 0.5mg, going to 1mg in a week or 2 rather than waiting 4 weeks is really very safe, not zero risk as that is never possible, but given you are starting below standard start doses, waiting 4 weeks to increase is probably not needed if there are no effects, if there are effects or side effects then going up more slowly makes sense. There is no way to know in advance whether you will have appetite suppression or side effects at 1mg or 8mg until you get there, but generally mild effects or mild side effects can be a useful guide for what to expect next time you increase doses, and suggest that the next dose increase be delayed or smaller. One potential issue with starting that low and slow is it could take 6 months to get to a dose where it starts doing anything if you are someone who does not respond to low doses, I think even fairly patient people would get pretty annoyed by that.

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So I would say max maybe 15lbs now to lose. At about 20% BF at current. Diet and workouts are strong
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


When we are saying stalled, how can I really measure that to know it’s time to increase

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A stall is loosely defined at best.

My take is if I’m unhappy with the progress of the scale allowing for transient confounding variables, and I don’t have meaningful side effects, increase the dose.

I had plenty of weight to lose, ~25lb to go, and am unbothered by dose escalation to the limits of way tolerability.
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


When we are saying stalled, how can I really measure that to know it’s time to increase

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I feel that I have stalled if the scale doesn't move for an entire week and I weigh daily. Weighing weekly doesn't give you a great picture of your journey.

My first move when stalled, isn't looking at the medicine. My first move is a review of my daily diet deficit and my activity. What happened on that side of the equation. I've only titrated up if I was hungry at the end of the shot week. These have to be honest internal conversations.
 
Seasonal1 said:


I feel that I have stalled if the scale doesn't move for an entire week and I weigh daily. Weighing weekly doesn't give you a great picture of your journey.

My first move when stalled, isn't looking at the medicine. My first move is a review of my daily diet deficit and my activity. What happened on that side of the equation. I've only titrated up if I was hungry at the end of the shot week. These have to be honest internal conversations.

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Weighing daily would drive me crazy, once a week, same day and time. I did it for shit and giggles. One day down a touch, next week the same, then down 3 the next day. I'm not going to worry about that. I've had the scale not move once a week a few times, and stuck with my 4 week schedule. Awful lot of variables to consider being hungry. I pretty much went up in dose after the standard 4 weeks. If I stayed on a dose, say 6mg that worked (6 weeks) good, I stay on it till not much was happening. What I call a stale, I'd titrate up. I never checked my diet.

I'm curious what dose you started at, when and what dose you're on now. Everybody does so many different doses, and titrates up differently. Thanks.
 
2 4 6 8 10 12. Every 4 weeks. If you get some heavier sides. Back a single mg and run 4 more weeks. At 8mg im running out of money more than rs weight loss. Id have gotten my rs up to 12 by now. But thats a few hundred a month i dont have.
 
If you are getting good results at a low dosage you can stick with it. In the studies higher doses had higher losses but it wasn’t linear and you run the risk of getting gallbladder issues. I was at 2mg for a while until I was worried I plateaued a bit, although I was eating like crap a little bit. It is a journey and the results will come
 
quicksilver80 said:


…At 8mg im running out of money more than rs weight loss. Id have gotten my rs up to 12 by now. But thats a few hundred a month i dont have.

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What? I take 18mg/week, 4.3 weeks in a month, my Reta cost using my cheapest denomination is $.23/mg… that’s less than $18/month. $37/month if I use my readily available R60 bought at retail pricing.
 
Jimmymiro12 said:


So I would say max maybe 15lbs now to lose. At about 20% BF at current. Diet and workouts are strong

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Given you are barely even overweight let alone obese, with 20% body fat, being conservative with doses is likely a good idea. One of the concerns I have with people using these drugs without being obese, is the lack of obvious long term health benefits to offset the small but real risks of serious adverse effects from the drugs. Not that there is any data at all for their use in non overweight populations. But I think this logic argues for especially conservative approaches to dosing to reduce the drug adverse effect risks as much as possible. 1mg of reta for a year caused 9% weight loss in the studies, it might be that it would not be quite that good in someone starting off less overweight, but in general on this forum a lot of non overweight or slightly overweight people have had good results from low dose reta in the 1-2mg range mostly.
 
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