Ping-ponging my tirz dosing — where do I land?

[JohannesSweden77]

Since I'm a dumb ass, I've flipped my schedule around so many times that my body can't tell which dose is actually floating around in it right now.

I ran 10mg a week, then 10mg each 5 days, then 5mg each 3 days, then 7mg each 3 days. These days I feel stupid, and honestly I can't say whether the tirz is doing anything. The scale isn't going up, but it isn't going down either, which is the entire point. Sure, I had 2 weeks of vacation, and I stayed sensible about it, keeping my training nearly as hard as usual, so standing still there would make sense to me — but I'm still still. On the scale.

Earlier on I wasn't dropping fast either, what with the training and the protein-heavy eating for muscle growth. Still, a little came off each week. Now nothing.

So the good 'ol days are the target again, and my thinking (I'm dumb, keep that in mind, ok!) is to move back onto every 7 days, or every 5 days, taking it slowly — one extra day and 0,5mg per pin until both the dose and the schedule are where they were.

Keeping the dose low only ever made sense because mounjaro was on my shelf and pushing it up cost way too much — but these days half the fridge is full of tirz.

How does that sound? 7 days, or 5? Nudge the dose up bit by bit?

For me the food noise and the cravings creep in after about 5 days, though it isn't that bad. Grown man here, I can handle it! Shame my brain stopped at 10

 

[spanky2026]

My 2 cents, and I'm no professional: before you pick your next move, you've got to settle into a steady state... whichever steady state that is. Right now you're jumping around everywhere. Trust me, I know how frustrating it is and how tempting it is to tweak things on the fly when progress stalls, but that approach just doesn't work. The general counsel says to hold off until you've been watching something that needs fixing for at least 4 weeks before you do anything — and there's a good reason for that. Take me: I JUST added Cag 1 week ago because of what was definitely a stall, and after 1 week my appetite was gone but the scale didn't move? OMG, panic mode! But cag needs at least a month before it reaches a steady state in your system, so push the panic down and let it ride.

What I'd do is commit to SOMETHING — say a 6 day rotation of Tirz, since you've got it on hand — and then give it a month or MORE to find out what it's really doing for you.

 

[gusterbuster]

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

 

[Skidude]

JohannesSweden77 said:

Since I'm a dumb ass, I've flipped my schedule around so many times that my body can't tell which dose is actually floating around in it right now.

I ran 10mg a week, then 10mg each 5 days, then 5mg each 3 days, then 7mg each 3 days. These days I feel stupid, and honestly I can't say whether the tirz is doing anything. The scale isn't going up, but it isn't going down either, which is the entire point. Sure, I had 2 weeks of vacation, and I stayed sensible about it, keeping my training nearly as hard as usual, so standing still there would make sense to me — but I'm still still. On the scale.

Earlier on I wasn't dropping fast either, what with the training and the protein-heavy eating for muscle growth. Still, a little came off each week. Now nothing.

So the good 'ol days are the target again, and my thinking (I'm dumb, keep that in mind, ok!) is to move back onto every 7 days, or every 5 days, taking it slowly — one extra day and 0,5mg per pin until both the dose and the schedule are where they were.

Keeping the dose low only ever made sense because mounjaro was on my shelf and pushing it up cost way too much — but these days half the fridge is full of tirz.

How does that sound? 7 days, or 5? Nudge the dose up bit by bit?

For me the food noise and the cravings creep in after about 5 days, though it isn't that bad. Grown man here, I can handle it! Shame my brain stopped at 10

If the pounds aren't coming off in a straight line, don't let it get you down — everyone's body handles this differently, and I'd bet even the median isn't a straight line.

My first week gave me a bigger drop than my final 8 weeks combined.

On the bright side: the tortoise beats the hare!

I worried I was shedding too quickly and wanted a smoother rate.

Eventually I reached a target I never thought possible for myself, and I got there in a really short stretch.

Some weeks the scale didn't budge or went up, other weeks only 1lb came off.

Getting that final 8lbs to reach my goal took me 8 weeks.

I'm with @spanky2026

let things settle first, then figure out what adjustments you want.

You'll make it!

 

[gusterbuster]

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

 

[gusterbuster]

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Honestly, that's likely the real culprit. Once you drop weight, what used to be your deficit intake becomes what you need just to stay the same.

 

[ladyj779]

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

 

[Lovedog100]

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

Far too many folks fixate on kilograms and pounds. Grab a tape and check your neck, chest, waist, arms, and thigh. Jot the numbers down, then repeat the measuring once a month. When you're training, it's possible to build muscle at the same pace you're shedding fat. That happens more often than you'd think. I dealt with exactly that for a couple of months — the scale wouldn't budge, but wherever I went, people kept telling me I looked like I'd dropped 50 lbs. The number on the scale didn't move at all, and yet I still had to go out and buy new clothes.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

My issue is that I'm working on body recomposition — building muscle while also dropping weight. Early on, that approach was going well. If the goal is only fat loss, staying in a calorie deficit is straightforward. But once muscle gain enters the picture, protein intake has to be adequate and the deficit has to be dialed in precisely.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

Lovedog100 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

Far too many folks fixate on kilograms and pounds. Grab a tape and check your neck, chest, waist, arms, and thigh. Jot the numbers down, then repeat the measuring once a month. When you're training, it's possible to build muscle at the same pace you're shedding fat. That happens more often than you'd think. I dealt with exactly that for a couple of months — the scale wouldn't budge, but wherever I went, people kept telling me I looked like I'd dropped 50 lbs. The number on the scale didn't move at all, and yet I still had to go out and buy new clothes.

Yeah, that's what I'm keeping my fingers crossed for.

 

[ladyj779]

JohannesSweden77 said:

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

My issue is that I'm working on body recomposition — building muscle while also dropping weight. Early on, that approach was going well. If the goal is only fat loss, staying in a calorie deficit is straightforward. But once muscle gain enters the picture, protein intake has to be adequate and the deficit has to be dialed in precisely.

Right now that isn't happening, since you're eating too many calories to drop weight.

Maybe weight loss shouldn't be your focus at this point — just hold steady and work on building muscle/recomp. That's a plan worth sticking with!

 

[gusterbuster]

JohannesSweden77 said:

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

My issue is that I'm working on body recomposition — building muscle while also dropping weight. Early on, that approach was going well. If the goal is only fat loss, staying in a calorie deficit is straightforward. But once muscle gain enters the picture, protein intake has to be adequate and the deficit has to be dialed in precisely.

Once those beginner gains are done, keeping your lean mass will be tough. That goes double if you're not 20 years old or using hormones.

To keep moving forward, simply cut calories. Losing lean mass doesn't automatically mean losing muscle. For men, real muscle loss generally only becomes a concern below 15 percent, unless the deficit is too aggressive.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

My issue is that I'm working on body recomposition — building muscle while also dropping weight. Early on, that approach was going well. If the goal is only fat loss, staying in a calorie deficit is straightforward. But once muscle gain enters the picture, protein intake has to be adequate and the deficit has to be dialed in precisely.

Right now that isn't happening, since you're eating too many calories to drop weight.

Maybe weight loss shouldn't be your focus at this point — just hold steady and work on building muscle/recomp. That's a plan worth sticking with!

Sure, that might be the right approach, but damn it, I still want to drop more weight. I've got roughly 10kg / 22lb left to lose. It's really frustrating, no doubt about it.

 

[JohannesSweden77]

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

ladyj779 said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

gusterbuster said:

Schedules barely have a single correct option. Follow the guideline: choose one and stubbornly stick with it. Consistency is all that matters.

You might fall into the low-responder category for GLPs. Food repulsion or totally forgetting to eat has never happened to me on GLPs. What I experience is just that hitting my calorie target becomes simpler, and random binges stay much more under control. I don't know what your current meal plan looks like or how disciplined you are, but it could be the moment to commit and genuinely weigh and log every bit of food you eat.

Tirz has treated me well so far — 27kg / 59.5lb down across 7 months. When the plan called for stepping up from 10mg to 12,5mg Mounjaro, the sticker price nearly finished me off. The 10mg tier was already brutally expensive yet survivable; the new one was not, which is why I was ready to walk away and just cross my fingers. Then I came across gray, so here I am.

For now the job is to sit back on 10mg and hold there until it stops pulling its weight. Anyone who's been at this knows that moment when a dose starts to fade. At that point the dose goes up again, exactly as my original schedule laid out. Then it's a matter of waiting on the elora to arrive and pass its checks so progress can pick up speed.

My eating plan has had 100% of my commitment from day one. No bingeing, no slipping. The problem runs the other way: hitting my daily calorie number, and the same goes for protein. Every day it's close to force-feeding myself just to clear the target. Food doesn't disgust me — it simply doesn't interest me much, so eating clean costs no willpower. Even at the restaurant on my birthday nothing indulgent appealed; a nice salad hit the spot.

What's the length of your plateau? Should it only be a matter of weeks, then cutting calories might be necessary, and if you're practically pushing yourself to hit your calorie target, the dose isn't the problem. When hunger and food noise aren't bothering you, it's a calorie problem rather than a dose problem.

True, however my diet has stayed the same, so that can't be it. The stall has lasted roughly 1,5-2 months.

Your diet has to be adjusted. Once weight comes off, maintaining takes fewer calories, and shedding more takes even fewer than that.

It's a rough reality, but it's reality.

Absolutely, get your dose steady. That ought to make cutting calories less of a struggle.

If weight loss is still the goal, there's no need to push yourself to eat. Because eating less is the requirement.

My issue is that I'm working on body recomposition — building muscle while also dropping weight. Early on, that approach was going well. If the goal is only fat loss, staying in a calorie deficit is straightforward. But once muscle gain enters the picture, protein intake has to be adequate and the deficit has to be dialed in precisely.

Once those beginner gains are done, keeping your lean mass will be tough. That goes double if you're not 20 years old or using hormones.

To keep moving forward, simply cut calories. Losing lean mass doesn't automatically mean losing muscle. For men, real muscle loss generally only becomes a concern below 15 percent, unless the deficit is too aggressive.

Less is more is what I'm returning to. Things were working well until I began tracking calories. These days I'll only track protein. Or I'll simply make sure I get some added protein the way I used to. If it's winning, don't change it.

 

[Stace_wow]

I've come across people who take their full dose every 5-7 days. Personally, ever since I was at 5MG, I've been injecting every 6 days, and since I've got a stockpile, I'm free to do as I please! A 6-day gap suits me best, and given tirz's half life, I avoid that big hunger spike on day 7, plus the medication stays more level in my system — I absolutely swear by that! Maybe it's time to add in cag, or lower cals? Do you track? Honestly I'd be looking at your intake, then adding in cag/elora if needed.

Good luck, you aren't stupid either! Takes a lot to learn all of this....trial and error are okay <3

 

[skaylife]

JohannesSweden77 said:

Since I'm a dumb ass, I've flipped my schedule around so many times that my body can't tell which dose is actually floating around in it right now.

I ran 10mg a week, then 10mg each 5 days, then 5mg each 3 days, then 7mg each 3 days. These days I feel stupid, and honestly I can't say whether the tirz is doing anything. The scale isn't going up, but it isn't going down either, which is the entire point. Sure, I had 2 weeks of vacation, and I stayed sensible about it, keeping my training nearly as hard as usual, so standing still there would make sense to me — but I'm still still. On the scale.

Earlier on I wasn't dropping fast either, what with the training and the protein-heavy eating for muscle growth. Still, a little came off each week. Now nothing.

So the good 'ol days are the target again, and my thinking (I'm dumb, keep that in mind, ok!) is to move back onto every 7 days, or every 5 days, taking it slowly — one extra day and 0,5mg per pin until both the dose and the schedule are where they were.

Keeping the dose low only ever made sense because mounjaro was on my shelf and pushing it up cost way too much — but these days half the fridge is full of tirz.

How does that sound? 7 days, or 5? Nudge the dose up bit by bit?

For me the food noise and the cravings creep in after about 5 days, though it isn't that bad. Grown man here, I can handle it! Shame my brain stopped at 10

I can't say how many days were needed to get from 10mg/week up to 21mg in 9 days. Still, my guess is that frequent use has caused your body to develop some resistance. Perhaps adding or trying a different option such as Reta, Elora, Cagri...?

 

[JohannesSweden77]

skaylife said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

Since I'm a dumb ass, I've flipped my schedule around so many times that my body can't tell which dose is actually floating around in it right now.

I ran 10mg a week, then 10mg each 5 days, then 5mg each 3 days, then 7mg each 3 days. These days I feel stupid, and honestly I can't say whether the tirz is doing anything. The scale isn't going up, but it isn't going down either, which is the entire point. Sure, I had 2 weeks of vacation, and I stayed sensible about it, keeping my training nearly as hard as usual, so standing still there would make sense to me — but I'm still still. On the scale.

Earlier on I wasn't dropping fast either, what with the training and the protein-heavy eating for muscle growth. Still, a little came off each week. Now nothing.

So the good 'ol days are the target again, and my thinking (I'm dumb, keep that in mind, ok!) is to move back onto every 7 days, or every 5 days, taking it slowly — one extra day and 0,5mg per pin until both the dose and the schedule are where they were.

Keeping the dose low only ever made sense because mounjaro was on my shelf and pushing it up cost way too much — but these days half the fridge is full of tirz.

How does that sound? 7 days, or 5? Nudge the dose up bit by bit?

For me the food noise and the cravings creep in after about 5 days, though it isn't that bad. Grown man here, I can handle it! Shame my brain stopped at 10

I can't say how many days were needed to get from 10mg/week up to 21mg in 9 days. Still, my guess is that frequent use has caused your body to develop some resistance. Perhaps adding or trying a different option such as Reta, Elora, Cagri...?

21mg? The levels I estimate for my medication don't reach that high. At most 15mg.

 

[skaylife]

JohannesSweden77 said:

skaylife said:

JohannesSweden77 said:

Since I'm a dumb ass, I've flipped my schedule around so many times that my body can't tell which dose is actually floating around in it right now.

I ran 10mg a week, then 10mg each 5 days, then 5mg each 3 days, then 7mg each 3 days. These days I feel stupid, and honestly I can't say whether the tirz is doing anything. The scale isn't going up, but it isn't going down either, which is the entire point. Sure, I had 2 weeks of vacation, and I stayed sensible about it, keeping my training nearly as hard as usual, so standing still there would make sense to me — but I'm still still. On the scale.

Earlier on I wasn't dropping fast either, what with the training and the protein-heavy eating for muscle growth. Still, a little came off each week. Now nothing.

So the good 'ol days are the target again, and my thinking (I'm dumb, keep that in mind, ok!) is to move back onto every 7 days, or every 5 days, taking it slowly — one extra day and 0,5mg per pin until both the dose and the schedule are where they were.

Keeping the dose low only ever made sense because mounjaro was on my shelf and pushing it up cost way too much — but these days half the fridge is full of tirz.

How does that sound? 7 days, or 5? Nudge the dose up bit by bit?

For me the food noise and the cravings creep in after about 5 days, though it isn't that bad. Grown man here, I can handle it! Shame my brain stopped at 10

I can't say how many days were needed to get from 10mg/week up to 21mg in 9 days. Still, my guess is that frequent use has caused your body to develop some resistance. Perhaps adding or trying a different option such as Reta, Elora, Cagri...?

21mg? The levels I estimate for my medication don't reach that high. At most 15mg.

What I mean isn't the dose you've calculated. I'm referring to how much tirz has actually gone into your system over a stretch of time — the frequency and the size of each injection both matter.

Take 10 mg/week: that adds up to 520mg/year. Take 7mg every 3 days: that comes to 851,6 mg/year. My guess is your body adapts to that and stops responding as well. This isn't a scientific finding, just my own take, based on comparing how you're using it against how I used to.

My last injection was 18 days back. No hunger pangs, and I've dropped over 1kg across those 18 days.