Order Arrived With COA That Doesn't Match – Vendor Sent a New One From Another Lab, How Would You Handle It?

[RetCurious]

DjJoshua said:

I'll share the details through a private message; I don't want to call them out in public.

They're doing sketchy , they don't deserve any privacy, and the other rats should be informed so they can stay safe. Not caring about accurate details and the actual product is risky.

 

[DjJoshua]

RetCurious said:

DjJoshua said:

I'll share the details through a private message; I don't want to call them out in public.

They're doing sketchy , they don't deserve any privacy, and the other rats should be informed so they can stay safe. Not caring about accurate details and the actual product is risky.

Wow....

 

[ZippityDooDah]

DjJoshua said:

MeedzMoar said:

Poor DJ is going to be pm'ing all night long!

If it helps a little, I'll make some coffee. Tonight I'm hitting the books for my private pilot license, so I'm awake anyway. On top of that, I'm browsing planes for sale — the small kind — and the more pounds I drop thanks to GLP's, the more passengers I can fit in my aircraft, haha....

Get yourself a Mooney. Nothing but a Mooney. Later on, you'll be grateful.

DjJoshua said:

lessthanhalf said:

Honestly, I am struggling to see where the vendor messed up, aside from the initial mistake of sending the wrong COA. Suppose you had been shown the 10mg COA before placing your order, and you went ahead and bought the 5mg kit anyway — how could the vendor possibly predict ahead of time that this would bother you? After all, the majority of buyers simply want to see something showing that any testing is being done at all. And if matching the COA to your order was such a priority, why didn't you ask for the COA that corresponded to your 5mg order before you placed it? If they had provided the 5mg kit's COA ahead of your purchase, would that have satisfied you? If yes, then what difference does it make that it arrived after the 5mg kit? Or maybe I am just not following the situation correctly? Is the issue simply that the second COA listed a different company name? Should you have the money to test the batch, that would resolve things, though it is a costly route to obtain 50mg of verified compound X.

For me, the initial mix-up with the COA (10 mg rather than 5 mg) isn't the biggest deal—that kind of error seems fairly routine. What really stands out as a warning sign is the sequence that followed:

They brushed off your worry ("it's all good").

After that, they produced a fresh COA from a totally different lab/company, saying it now lines up.

To me, that pattern resembles a cover-up move (often seen with grey-market peptides): changing the documents afterward rather than owning up to a discrepancy or giving the proper batch-specific COA from the start. Had they shown the second (different-lab) COA before I placed my order and it seemed credible, most folks wouldn't have had a problem. The switch after shipping plus the denial is what makes it look shady. That's all. And perhaps I'm blowing it out of proportion. That's why I'm asking

You're blowing this out of proportion. A lot of these sales reps are basically just warm bodies sitting in a boiler room, completely clueless about what they're actually pushing. Odds are, while they're chatting with you, they're also hawking fake iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans across their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

 

[BellyD]

DjJoshua said:

I'll share the details through a private message; I don't want to call them out in public.

Keeping vendors answerable should be the standard.

That doesn't mean dragging them through the mud.

What it does mean is making sure every vendor is represented fully and safely.

 

[DjJoshua]

ZippityDooDah said:

DjJoshua said:

MeedzMoar said:

Poor DJ is going to be pm'ing all night long!

If it helps a little, I'll make some coffee. Tonight I'm hitting the books for my private pilot license, so I'm awake anyway. On top of that, I'm browsing planes for sale — the small kind — and the more pounds I drop thanks to GLP's, the more passengers I can fit in my aircraft, haha....

Get yourself a Mooney. Nothing but a Mooney. Later on, you'll be grateful.

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DjJoshua said:

lessthanhalf said:

Honestly, I am struggling to see where the vendor messed up, aside from the initial mistake of sending the wrong COA. Suppose you had been shown the 10mg COA before placing your order, and you went ahead and bought the 5mg kit anyway — how could the vendor possibly predict ahead of time that this would bother you? After all, the majority of buyers simply want to see something showing that any testing is being done at all. And if matching the COA to your order was such a priority, why didn't you ask for the COA that corresponded to your 5mg order before you placed it? If they had provided the 5mg kit's COA ahead of your purchase, would that have satisfied you? If yes, then what difference does it make that it arrived after the 5mg kit? Or maybe I am just not following the situation correctly? Is the issue simply that the second COA listed a different company name? Should you have the money to test the batch, that would resolve things, though it is a costly route to obtain 50mg of verified compound X.

For me, the initial mix-up with the COA (10 mg rather than 5 mg) isn't the biggest deal—that kind of error seems fairly routine. What really stands out as a warning sign is the sequence that followed:

They brushed off your worry ("it's all good").

After that, they produced a fresh COA from a totally different lab/company, saying it now lines up.

To me, that pattern resembles a cover-up move (often seen with grey-market peptides): changing the documents afterward rather than owning up to a discrepancy or giving the proper batch-specific COA from the start. Had they shown the second (different-lab) COA before I placed my order and it seemed credible, most folks wouldn't have had a problem. The switch after shipping plus the denial is what makes it look shady. That's all. And perhaps I'm blowing it out of proportion. That's why I'm asking

You're blowing this out of proportion. A lot of these sales reps are basically just warm bodies sitting in a boiler room, completely clueless about what they're actually pushing. Odds are, while they're chatting with you, they're also hawking fake iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans across their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

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The Mooney M20 is something I 100% adore. Once I've spent a few years in a 172, getting my hands on one of these would be fantastic.

 

[indolent]

DjJoshua said:

randompersonrandom said:

Vendor Name Removed for Shilling supplied a COA for NAD+ that listed PGB on it. I wasn't overly concerned, since my assumption has always been that Vendor Name Removed for Shilling likely sources kits from Uther and PGB, then resells them individually at a markup — which, to be fair, doesn't bother me. Still, labeling that as "good practice" isn't something I'd do.

Fair enough, I'm probably reading too much into this. Take the situation where the vial ends up 21% above the target or short of it — how would I work out my dose then? I get it too, given where these products come from. Nearly all of my 3rd party testing has come back really GOOD. and overfilled on top of that lol..

Nope. That's just wishful thinking on your part. You want to trust that a vendor's CoA carries weight, even when the vial colors line up. But it never does, and in this case it didn't, so the replacement is equally worthless.

It's a shame Discord wiped out the public repositories of independent third-party group testing (though those would never be trusted if the vendor is the middleman or otherwise entangled), but perhaps sharing the specifics here could let someone look into it.

[I still can't tell whether the kit box you got says 5mg or 10mg.]

 

[Habibibi]

RetCurious said:

DjJoshua said:

I'll share the details through a private message; I don't want to call them out in public.

They're doing sketchy , they don't deserve any privacy, and the other rats should be informed so they can stay safe. Not caring about accurate details and the actual product is risky.

Ah ssa. Everyone loved them so much, even though they obviously had zero concern for batch identification, and admitted as much. You might get the same batch with different cap colors and the same batch number. Or the same cap color with different batch numbers. Or the mess shown in the attached image.

 

[tubby]

ZippityDooDah said:

DjJoshua said:

MeedzMoar said:

Poor DJ is going to be pm'ing all night long!

If it helps a little, I'll make some coffee. Tonight I'm hitting the books for my private pilot license, so I'm awake anyway. On top of that, I'm browsing planes for sale — the small kind — and the more pounds I drop thanks to GLP's, the more passengers I can fit in my aircraft, haha....

Get yourself a Mooney. Nothing but a Mooney. Later on, you'll be grateful.

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DjJoshua said:

lessthanhalf said:

Honestly, I am struggling to see where the vendor messed up, aside from the initial mistake of sending the wrong COA. Suppose you had been shown the 10mg COA before placing your order, and you went ahead and bought the 5mg kit anyway — how could the vendor possibly predict ahead of time that this would bother you? After all, the majority of buyers simply want to see something showing that any testing is being done at all. And if matching the COA to your order was such a priority, why didn't you ask for the COA that corresponded to your 5mg order before you placed it? If they had provided the 5mg kit's COA ahead of your purchase, would that have satisfied you? If yes, then what difference does it make that it arrived after the 5mg kit? Or maybe I am just not following the situation correctly? Is the issue simply that the second COA listed a different company name? Should you have the money to test the batch, that would resolve things, though it is a costly route to obtain 50mg of verified compound X.

For me, the initial mix-up with the COA (10 mg rather than 5 mg) isn't the biggest deal—that kind of error seems fairly routine. What really stands out as a warning sign is the sequence that followed:

They brushed off your worry ("it's all good").

After that, they produced a fresh COA from a totally different lab/company, saying it now lines up.

To me, that pattern resembles a cover-up move (often seen with grey-market peptides): changing the documents afterward rather than owning up to a discrepancy or giving the proper batch-specific COA from the start. Had they shown the second (different-lab) COA before I placed my order and it seemed credible, most folks wouldn't have had a problem. The switch after shipping plus the denial is what makes it look shady. That's all. And perhaps I'm blowing it out of proportion. That's why I'm asking

You're blowing this out of proportion. A lot of these sales reps are basically just warm bodies sitting in a boiler room, completely clueless about what they're actually pushing. Odds are, while they're chatting with you, they're also hawking fake iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans across their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

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Wait, so the person who keeps calling me honey might not actually be the attractive woman in the ad copy?

Honestly, that feels like a much bigger betrayal than them running out of the batch I ordered and just sending the next one in line.