Epithalon

Powerslide said:


When you guys cycle off do you go back to crappy sleep?

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I don't. My last epi cycle ended 3/6, and I'm going to do another one as soon as my KLOW is over (bout twenty days from now.) Sleep's still good, I do 1 mg a day for 20-22 days (3 vials of the 7.5 I got from an underfilled group buy)
 
randompersonrandom said:


I don't. My last epi cycle ended 3/6, and I'm going to do another one as soon as my KLOW is over (bout twenty days from now.) Sleep's still good, I do 1 mg a day for 20-22 days (3 vials of the 7.5 I got from an underfilled group buy)

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What is your Epitalon cycle (on/off)?

Pep-Pedia seems to think that it should be 10–20 days on and 4–6 months off. Does that make sense to you? What do you do?
 
tcpnomad said:


What is your Epitalon cycle (on/off)?

Pep-Pedia seems to think that it should be 10 days on and 4–6 months off. Does that make sense to you? What do you do?

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I and my dog run it 20 days a month.
 
tcpnomad said:


What is your Epitalon cycle (on/off)?

Pep-Pedia seems to think that it should be 10–20 days on and 4–6 months off. Does that make sense to you? What do you do?

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I'm doing every three months and change. I want zero risk of having bad sleep again.
 
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Ksyusha said:


I will.

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vale113 said:


I have 4 more days to go until the end of the 20-day cycle. I'm taking 2mg a day. I seem to sleep more deeply, and if I wake up to go to the bathroom, I fall back asleep faster. I've had strange dreams a couple of times, but it might be a coincidence. Now I'm curious what changes after I stop.

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Rezwalker said:


im at 5mg 1 hour before bed ( 2 weeks left to the cycle)

its me or Epithalon BURN when injecting 😬

sleep marker didnt improve yet

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vale113 said:


It stings very little on me, I almost don't feel it

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randompersonrandom said:


I'm doing every three months and change. I want zero risk of having bad sleep again.

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Seems like it works for you well, then. Very cool. Am going to try it myself.
 
Ksyusha said:


Thank you very much for that.

One more question.

I heard people having weird bad dreams whilst taking epithalon. Is that true?

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In the first week I had hectic dreams, like wake up breathing hard (one instance was my partner chasing me with a cockroach lol) so not exactly nightmares but like intense enough to stimulate a physical response and wake me up, but that died down.

I've got some other responses in this thread but I've since done a cycle of DSIP, and the dreams were also more vivid but I feel I got better sleep on it and since finishing my cycle I'm still sleeping well.
 
RascalRaccoon said:


In the first week I had hectic dreams, like wake up breathing hard (one instance was my partner chasing me with a cockroach lol) so not exactly nightmares but like intense enough to stimulate a physical response and wake me up, but that died down.

I've got some other responses in this thread but I've since done a cycle of DSIP, and the dreams were also more vivid but I feel I got better sleep on it and since finishing my cycle I'm still sleeping well.

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Thank you so much.

I’m starting it next Friday. Hope to see good results
 
randompersonrandom said:


I don't. My last epi cycle ended 3/6, and I'm going to do another one as soon as my KLOW is over (bout twenty days from now.) Sleep's still good, I do 1 mg a day for 20-22 days (3 vials of the 7.5 I got from an underfilled group buy)

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i'm kicking myself, want to run a cycle of epi but i ordered a single 50mg vial because i was going back and forth with some of the dosing confusion arising from translating the khavinson protocols. sounds like most people run 1mg or less for 20 day cycles.
 
fatjacked said:


i'm kicking myself, want to run a cycle of epi but i ordered a single 50mg vial because i was going back and forth with some of the dosing confusion arising from translating the khavinson protocols. sounds like most people run 1mg or less for 20 day cycles.

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My mom is running 1 mg per day for 20 days on and 30 days off. She wanted the sleep benefits to be more consistent. I didn't find any information that suggested that was any more risky than the usual injecting-chinese-mystery-powder; I guess some people run it continually for the same reason.
 
As far as epithalon is concerned...

It really is all that. 1mg a day in the evening was life changing for me. Desperately need more. Want to try stacking with pinealon as well.

DSIP is a joke and I don't know why it gets brought up so often. I implore you not to waste your money on DSIP if you're curious, unless you have a lot of money that you need to get rid of. It helps, but it's a miniscule amount and you'd undoubtedly be better served by an OTC sleep supplement.

It gives you nice dreams and slightly more restful sleep, but it doesn't help you get to sleep like epithalon does.

miameow said:


I’m glad to hear it’s on her radar. Progesterone drops first, before estrogen, and many women experience significantly better sleep from oral micronized progesterone alone. Weight loss will throw off an already declining e/p/t - and it’s a well-known fact that even young female bodybuilders go on hrt during aggressive cuts. Hope you find something that works for her.

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Fun fact about oral micronised progesterone – it's not a very good source of progesterone. Only about 20% of it is absorbed as progesterone while the rest becomes pregnenolone or allopregnanolone, another calming neurosteroid. Injectable progesterone, or using the pills for sublingual or rectal use, are much more effective at actually delivering progesterone.

For estrogen, injectable is best. Cheapest and easiest way to maintain stable levels. Best part, you can get it very cheaply too. Might want to pair with a cream for local tissues.
 
fatjacked said:


i'm kicking myself, want to run a cycle of epi but i ordered a single 50mg vial because i was going back and forth with some of the dosing confusion arising from translating the khavinson protocols. sounds like most people run 1mg or less for 20 day cycles.

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Why are you kicking yourself? Just run two cycles at 1mg a day for 25 days with 10-20 days off. Reconned vials last 3+ months.
 
birdwhacker said:


Fun fact about oral micronised progesterone – it's not a very good source of progesterone. Only about 20% of it is absorbed as progesterone while the rest becomes pregnenolone or allopregnanolone, another calming neurosteroid.

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Yes, that's precisely why it really helps with sleep. The unabosrbed portion is what a lot of women seek. I know some women who stack p injections and oral for this benefit.
 
Update from a couple of months ago:

The sleep journey for my wife has remained arduous, but I think we're finally on the right track!.. I had tried so many different Intranasal combinations and preparations, trying to see if things isolated or combined were better or worse, but a lot of the anecdata was inconsistent, until now! Instead of dabbling about, I just kinda went for it and increased potency across the board, and we're finding success. Here's where I've landed:

Subcutaneous - Daily/late afternoon on 25 day cycles

Epitalon 1mg

Intranasal - Daily/early evenings

DSIP 500mcg

Pinealon 500mcg

NA Selank Amidate 500mcg

Wife is getting measurably better deep sleep since starting this cycle, and each successive night is improving.
 
birdwhacker said:


Why are you kicking yourself? Just run two cycles at 1mg a day for 25 days with 10-20 days off. Reconned vials last 3+ months.

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randompersonrandom said:


My mom is running 1 mg per day for 20 days on and 30 days off. She wanted the sleep benefits to be more consistent. I didn't find any information that suggested that was any more risky than the usual injecting-chinese-mystery-powder; I guess some people run it continually for the same reason.

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thank you both. figured something like this was the answer but was looking for opinions from those who run it.

has anyone added thymalin to an epitalon cycle to try and replicate the khavinson longevity protocols? also, i have seen some protocols that mention running epitalon while pausing all other peps besides GLP-1s.
 
DragonOfTheSea said:


Update from a couple of months ago:

The sleep journey for my wife has remained arduous, but I think we're finally on the right track!.. I had tried so many different Intranasal combinations and preparations, trying to see if things isolated or combined were better or worse, but a lot of the anecdata was inconsistent, until now! Instead of dabbling about, I just kinda went for it and increased potency across the board, and we're finding success. Here's where I've landed:

Subcutaneous - Daily/late afternoon on 25 day cycles

Epitalon 1mg

Intranasal - Daily/early evenings

DSIP 500mcg

Pinealon 500mcg

NA Selank Amidate 500mcg

Wife is getting measurably better deep sleep since starting this cycle, and each successive night is improving.

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Why are you doing Epi in the afternoon? My understanding is it needs to be taken 30 min - 1hr prior to sleeping. It also sets your sleep cycle so its ideal to take it at the same time everynight.

Im currently stacking Sermorelin and Epi at night and let me tell yah it knocks me out and if I take it later than my usual time I also end up oversleeping.
 
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