Anavar plus enclomiphene, nothing else - is that asking for trouble?

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Hey all!

Between reta and pure self-loathing I dropped from 105 to 75kg inside a year, which cost me most of the muscle I had built and still left some fat behind.

So what does a cycle of 10mg var for 8 weeks plus 8 weeks of enclo sound like? Purely for the recomp.

And YES i already know i should be running test alongside it - i cant, because of a 2/4 work rotation where keeping any vial of test around would be VERY risky.

Right now i am on 1mg of tesa, which i plan to take daily for roughly the next 100days.

Thoughts, experiences, advice?

Yes i will get bloodwork done, and no i am not an idiot.
 
JohnDoeNo said:

Hey all!

Between reta and pure self-loathing I dropped from 105 to 75kg inside a year, which cost me most of the muscle I had built and still left some fat behind.

So what does a cycle of 10mg var for 8 weeks plus 8 weeks of enclo sound like? Purely for the recomp.

And YES i already know i should be running test alongside it - i cant, because of a 2/4 work rotation where keeping any vial of test around would be VERY risky.

Right now i am on 1mg of tesa, which i plan to take daily for roughly the next 100days.

Thoughts, experiences, advice?

Yes i will get bloodwork done, and no i am not an idiot.
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For me it did the job - blood lipids unchanged, no suppression, liver barely moved. That was at 20mg though. Still, I would expect huge variation between people, particularly if exercise, diet and retatrutide are not doing their part. Above everything else, get labs so you know where you stand.

Give it a shot. Just pick a source you trust and keep your expectations modest.
 
Looks sensible enough to me. Running var at 10mg pushed my LDL and ApoB up, while ALT, AST and HDL stayed where they should be. A test base would be the better route, but enclo does the job if that is your choice. It is regarded as gentle on both lipids and liver, so it should not stack badly with whatever the var is doing. Reactions differ from person to person and compound to compound, though, so keep up with your bloodwork. While on var I would add omega-3, citrus bergamot, NAC and milk thistle. Red yeast rice is worth having on hand if your lipids drift the wrong way. I take glutathione for liver support too, though it is not for everybody, so your mileage may vary. All told this looks like a cautious first cycle, close to the one I finished recently. Let us know how you get on!
 
JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

That is my exact stack - var, enclo, and Reta on top.
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What dose, and how did it go for you? Do you take anything for your liver?
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enclo at 12.5mg, var at 10mg,[both daily], anastrozole 1mg every 3 days, and tamoxifen every 7 days. No, nothing for the liver. My scalp started breaking out so i have paused the var for 3 days now. The acne has calmed down. I began the var on may 14th
 
in theory you could, but honestly I would not. If nothing else you could do a short HCG and Var run, 6 weeks or so.
 
bek74 said:

in theory you could, but honestly I would not. If nothing else you could do a short HCG and Var run, 6 weeks or so.
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I cant bring vials to my job. That is exactly the problem
 
Meritocrat said:

JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

That is my exact stack - var, enclo, and Reta on top.
Click to expand...
What dose, and how did it go for you? Do you take anything for your liver?
Click to expand...
enclo at 12.5mg, var at 10mg,[both daily], anastrozole 1mg every 3 days, and tamoxifen every 7 days. No, nothing for the liver. My scalp started breaking out so i have paused the var for 3 days now. The acne has calmed down. I began the var on may 14th
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Have you tried klow80 or ghkcu? My skin stays impeccable even eating worse than i used to, and that is down to the ghkcu. Worth a try as a fix
 
Tbagger said:

Looks sensible enough to me. Running var at 10mg pushed my LDL and ApoB up, while ALT, AST and HDL stayed where they should be. A test base would be the better route, but enclo does the job if that is your choice. It is regarded as gentle on both lipids and liver, so it should not stack badly with whatever the var is doing. Reactions differ from person to person and compound to compound, though, so keep up with your bloodwork. While on var I would add omega-3, citrus bergamot, NAC and milk thistle. Red yeast rice is worth having on hand if your lipids drift the wrong way. I take glutathione for liver support too, though it is not for everybody, so your mileage may vary. All told this looks like a cautious first cycle, close to the one I finished recently. Let us know how you get on!
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Yup, i would rather not go overboard with the whole AAS business. i simply dont want to add to the mental damage that being weaker does. Other than that i am a fairly balanced person, and i intend to use my head during the cycle.
 
JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

That is my exact stack - var, enclo, and Reta on top.
Click to expand...
What dose, and how did it go for you? Do you take anything for your liver?
Click to expand...
enclo at 12.5mg, var at 10mg,[both daily], anastrozole 1mg every 3 days, and tamoxifen every 7 days. No, nothing for the liver. My scalp started breaking out so i have paused the var for 3 days now. The acne has calmed down. I began the var on may 14th
Click to expand...
Have you tried klow80 or ghkcu? My skin stays impeccable even eating worse than i used to, and that is down to the ghkcu. Worth a try as a fix
Click to expand...
I would like to run klow and ghk for old injuries, but anavar gives me that odd acne only on my scalp..it has cleared up now.

JohnDoeNo said:

Tbagger said:

Looks sensible enough to me. Running var at 10mg pushed my LDL and ApoB up, while ALT, AST and HDL stayed where they should be. A test base would be the better route, but enclo does the job if that is your choice. It is regarded as gentle on both lipids and liver, so it should not stack badly with whatever the var is doing. Reactions differ from person to person and compound to compound, though, so keep up with your bloodwork. While on var I would add omega-3, citrus bergamot, NAC and milk thistle. Red yeast rice is worth having on hand if your lipids drift the wrong way. I take glutathione for liver support too, though it is not for everybody, so your mileage may vary. All told this looks like a cautious first cycle, close to the one I finished recently. Let us know how you get on!
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Yup, i would rather not go overboard with the whole AAS business. i simply dont want to add to the mental damage that being weaker does. Other than that i am a fairly balanced person, and i intend to use my head during the cycle.
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Same situation here, except i have made peace with it as the price of never carrying that fat again
 
Meritocrat said:

JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

JohnDoeNo said:

Meritocrat said:

That is my exact stack - var, enclo, and Reta on top.
Click to expand...
What dose, and how did it go for you? Do you take anything for your liver?
Click to expand...
enclo at 12.5mg, var at 10mg,[both daily], anastrozole 1mg every 3 days, and tamoxifen every 7 days. No, nothing for the liver. My scalp started breaking out so i have paused the var for 3 days now. The acne has calmed down. I began the var on may 14th
Click to expand...
Have you tried klow80 or ghkcu? My skin stays impeccable even eating worse than i used to, and that is down to the ghkcu. Worth a try as a fix
Click to expand...
I would like to run klow and ghk for old injuries, but anavar gives me that odd acne only on my scalp..it has cleared up now.

JohnDoeNo said:

Tbagger said:

Looks sensible enough to me. Running var at 10mg pushed my LDL and ApoB up, while ALT, AST and HDL stayed where they should be. A test base would be the better route, but enclo does the job if that is your choice. It is regarded as gentle on both lipids and liver, so it should not stack badly with whatever the var is doing. Reactions differ from person to person and compound to compound, though, so keep up with your bloodwork. While on var I would add omega-3, citrus bergamot, NAC and milk thistle. Red yeast rice is worth having on hand if your lipids drift the wrong way. I take glutathione for liver support too, though it is not for everybody, so your mileage may vary. All told this looks like a cautious first cycle, close to the one I finished recently. Let us know how you get on!
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Yup, i would rather not go overboard with the whole AAS business. i simply dont want to add to the mental damage that being weaker does. Other than that i am a fairly balanced person, and i intend to use my head during the cycle.
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Same situation here, except i have made peace with it as the price of never carrying that fat again
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We are going to get through this, mate.
 
This is absolutely doable. Studies running 12 weeks on var found suppression rather than full shutdown. As i recall it, 20mg came out around 30% and 40mg closer to 50%.

Those ran 1.5 times the length of your plan, and none of them used a test base or a serm such as enclo. You could run the var on its own and save the enclo for pct if that suits you. Do not take the hardcore gear crowd too seriously. Your reasons for skipping test are your own, and I doubt you are chasing an IFBB pro card.

So my read is that you will be fine. Nail down the diet and the training, and add tudca/nac/milk thistle or similar for liver and kidney support. No alcohol and no fast food. You will probably do great 💪
 
Run enclo on its own first, before you touch the var. If it only lifts you to 800 there is no point running any anabolic without a test base. If it were me i would not run ANYTHING without one, and even enclo needs roughly 3-4 weeks before your test moves at all . Besides, you are posting here, so needles clearly do not scare you - why not just pin test honestly. AND ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR VAR IS ACTUALLY VAR BEFORE YOU TAKE IT. I assume you are doing this to add a bit of size without shutting down test or fertility etc. If it turns out to be a different oral you can wreck yourself. Last thought: please please please please please watch your sides, a few pounds of lean mass is not worth a sky full of eye floaters or acne as a grown man.
 
Mr. Blonde said:

This is absolutely doable. Studies running 12 weeks on var found suppression rather than full shutdown. As i recall it, 20mg came out around 30% and 40mg closer to 50%.

Those ran 1.5 times the length of your plan, and none of them used a test base or a serm such as enclo. You could run the var on its own and save the enclo for pct if that suits you. Do not take the hardcore gear crowd too seriously. Your reasons for skipping test are your own, and I doubt you are chasing an IFBB pro card.

So my read is that you will be fine. Nail down the diet and the training, and add tudca/nac/milk thistle or similar for liver and kidney support. No alcohol and no fast food. You will probably do great 💪
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Appreciate the advice and the detail. I will be adding NAC. Also planning to run klow, which should support the liver and might even keep the acne away (though i doubt i will see any at 10mg)

I am tight with money, so i know my gym effort will climb purely so the var and enclo money does not go to waste lol. Looking forward to that, and i plan to start in a month or two.
 
ThunderBird said:

Run enclo on its own first, before you touch the var. If it only lifts you to 800 there is no point running any anabolic without a test base. If it were me i would not run ANYTHING without one, and even enclo needs roughly 3-4 weeks before your test moves at all . Besides, you are posting here, so needles clearly do not scare you - why not just pin test honestly. AND ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR VAR IS ACTUALLY VAR BEFORE YOU TAKE IT. I assume you are doing this to add a bit of size without shutting down test or fertility etc. If it turns out to be a different oral you can wreck yourself. Last thought: please please please please please watch your sides, a few pounds of lean mass is not worth a sky full of eye floaters or acne as a grown man.
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Yessir, i will get proper bloodwork done for;

Testosterone

SHBG

Albumin

Cholesterol

Il aim to take one every other week, and i'll buy from the least dodgy source i can find haha 🤣
 
JohnDoeNo said:

Mr. Blonde said:

This is absolutely doable. Studies running 12 weeks on var found suppression rather than full shutdown. As i recall it, 20mg came out around 30% and 40mg closer to 50%.

Those ran 1.5 times the length of your plan, and none of them used a test base or a serm such as enclo. You could run the var on its own and save the enclo for pct if that suits you. Do not take the hardcore gear crowd too seriously. Your reasons for skipping test are your own, and I doubt you are chasing an IFBB pro card.

So my read is that you will be fine. Nail down the diet and the training, and add tudca/nac/milk thistle or similar for liver and kidney support. No alcohol and no fast food. You will probably do great 💪
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Appreciate the advice and the detail. I will be adding NAC. Also planning to run klow, which should support the liver and might even keep the acne away (though i doubt i will see any at 10mg)

I am tight with money, so i know my gym effort will climb purely so the var and enclo money does not go to waste lol. Looking forward to that, and i plan to start in a month or two.
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Add TUDCA to that list too.
 
JohnDoeNo said:

ThunderBird said:

Run enclo on its own first, before you touch the var. If it only lifts you to 800 there is no point running any anabolic without a test base. If it were me i would not run ANYTHING without one, and even enclo needs roughly 3-4 weeks before your test moves at all . Besides, you are posting here, so needles clearly do not scare you - why not just pin test honestly. AND ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR VAR IS ACTUALLY VAR BEFORE YOU TAKE IT. I assume you are doing this to add a bit of size without shutting down test or fertility etc. If it turns out to be a different oral you can wreck yourself. Last thought: please please please please please watch your sides, a few pounds of lean mass is not worth a sky full of eye floaters or acne as a grown man.
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Yessir, i will get proper bloodwork done for;

Testosterone

SHBG

Albumin

Cholesterol

Il aim to take one every other week, and i'll buy from the least dodgy source i can find haha 🤣
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AI gets a bad rap from plenty of people, but it does come in handy.

My suggestion would be to tell ChatGPT/Claud/Gemini exactly which peptides and compounds you are on, then ask what bloodwork is needed to keep an eye on each of them. Get ALL of it done, their suggestions included.

Fitomicslabs.com charges less, and the "insider" membership brings it down further, which matters if you plan on testing several times over the year.
 
Enclo took my testosterone from 650 up to 1250 - low supraphysiological territory.

I stayed on it for around three months. I still have the blood work if you want to see how it looked on enclo at 25mg daily (or maybe it was every other day, I don’t remember)
 
wildweasel said:

Enclo took my testosterone from 650 up to 1250 - low supraphysiological territory.

I stayed on it for around three months. I still have the blood work if you want to see how it looked on enclo at 25mg daily (or maybe it was every other day, I don’t remember)
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That is wild 🤣 Did you get any estrogen sides?
 
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