Worry About EU Chat Control Legislation and What It Means for Peptide Availability Down the Road

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Under this proposed law, your private conversations, images, and messages could be examined without you agreeing to it, and they would stop being anonymous — instead being linked to who you are. The stated scope is child abuse material only, which supposedly means that even discussions about crime or terrorism would not be caught. But after the system exists, a single software update is all that would be needed for it to search for whatever the government disapproves of, or anything that fails to generate profit.

That includes peptides. If this passes, then within a few years, getting peptides through an ordinary chat app — the kind plenty of us rely on, like whatsapp or telegram — would probably become impossible without difficult, elaborate technical workarounds. The reason is that the law covers scanning done on the client side, before a message is even transmitted, meaning the device performs the scan rather than the app. That makes it apply across every messaging app. Forums of this kind are explicitly covered as well.

Example: The UK’s CCTV Networks (1990s) (disclosure: used ai here)

After London’s "Ring of Steel" was installed in 1993 for counter-terrorism purposes, the UK’s CCTV network grew within 1 to 4 years to the point of monitoring minor offenses.

  • Under the banner of counter-terrorism (aimed specifically at the IRA threat), cameras were rolled out heavily throughout British cities.
  • After the physical camera infrastructure had been funded and installed on every street corner, the purpose changed. These days, the network issues fines for littering and minor traffic violations, and is used to watch public assemblies.

On Monday, 29 June, the EU trilogue negotiations over the Chat Control 2.0 proposal ended without a final agreement or a concluded decision. The meeting therefore closed without the file being settled, and rather than immediate adoption or rejection of the law, more negotiations were anticipated.

A vote is now likely to be put on the schedule for July.

Link to a useful site with helpful ways to combat it: https://fightchatcontrol.eu
 
Seems like the moment has arrived to build up a stash…whether that means peptides, machines that can’t be cracked, or a mix of the two 🤣





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I might be missing something here, so please bear with me. If messaging apps are going to be monitored, personal emails should be off the table, right? In that case, couldn't people simply reach out to vendors through email instead? There wouldn't really be a need for WhatsApp or similar services.
 
It's probably time to pick up one of those privacy-focused devices. Plenty of alternatives exist beyond the mainstream choices. As for me, by the time this fully takes effect (a solid 20 years), I'll no longer need peps. I doubt anything will actually come of it - the wealthy people who shape the laws also prefer to operate without being watched.
 
Is it realistic to think the EU would care much about peptides? From what I understand, the US government has the capacity to make peptides so hard to get that many people—myself included—wouldn't bother trying, yet they don't do both.
 
spanky2026 said:

I might be missing something here, so please bear with me. If messaging apps are going to be monitored, personal emails should be off the table, right? In that case, couldn't people simply reach out to vendors through email instead? There wouldn't really be a need for WhatsApp or similar services.
According to them, "hosting services" covers any service that keeps information supplied by a recipient, at that recipient's request. That means:

  • Public discussion forums
  • Community platforms
  • Social media sites
  • Messaging apps
  • Email providers
  • Cloud storage services
 
keangkong said:

Is it realistic to think the EU would care much about peptides? From what I understand, the US government has the capacity to make peptides so hard to get that many people—myself included—wouldn't bother trying, yet they don't do both.
Looking at it from one angle, the false positive problem alone makes this legislation unworkable. We are dealing with billions of messages flowing across the internet, and even if detection worked at 99.9%, that leftover 0.1% would generate an enormous pile of bogus reports. Should they extend it to substances, the difficulty would become almost insurmountable, since flagging those accurately is already tough even without false positives, largely because social media is full of people joking about purchases they never actually make.

From the opposite angle, the markets for substances, peptides, PEDs, and counterfeit medicines largely operate through messaging apps and social platforms. If this turns into mission creep, those would be the next thing in the crosshairs.
 
It looks like the EU is run by appointed officials rather than elected ones, and they couldn't care less what the common people think. That's the impression I get, anyway, as someone from the US — a barbarian out of the wild wild west.

And somehow the UK seems to be wrapped up in this too, even though I was under the impression that their Brexit move meant they'd stepped away from that whole arrangement. So honestly, I don't understand how any of it functions, but I want nothing to do with it.

Give me Latin America instead — down there, nobody seems to be in a panic about hormone replacement therapy or peptides the way the FDA is, or the way those in power in the EU are. Everyone I know in that part of the world is involved with that stuff and nobody bats an eye. I'd honestly take my chances stepping into a hole in the road and snapping my ankle over having a pack of bureaucrats breathing down my neck about matters that are none of their concern — and that's here in my first world country with flawless infrastructure and sidewalks free of giant holes.
 
A few months back, Signal floated the idea of pulling out of Europe.

Our fallback will be self-hosted email servers, or encrypted email apps from open-source projects. The technical side isn’t that hard—the annoying part is keeping it running and locked down.

Quantum-resistant encryption algorithms can already be obtained at no cost. Surely they don’t believe that anyone genuinely determined to conceal something would skip using them?
 
Picture this: a bunch of people with shared interests casually organizing something like... owning property beyond the reach of that jurisdiction. After all, neighboring nations are just a car ride away... and you could arrange sourcing networks for those items....This might just become the hottest side hustle since YouTube creators and the cryptocurrency craze.
 
A quick heads-up for anyone unaware: genuine 4th amdt safeguards against searches conducted without a warrant exist only in the USA. Across the EU, GB, and really every other part of the globe, 'unreasonable search and seizure' protections amount to empty words. Once you actually examine foreign statutes, none of them shield the citizen or subject (subject to the crown, for instance) from government searches of any kind. Should they decide to, they can walk straight in — or go through your peptide orders.

Given that reality, AI alongside assorted methods for breaking encryption are routinely deployed these days to sift through your communications. The USA itself merely forwards 'suspected terrorist' communications over to England, where the details get torn apart without restraint.
 
Month said:

Under this proposed law, your private conversations, images, and messages could be examined without you agreeing to it, and they would stop being anonymous — instead being linked to who you are. The stated scope is child abuse material only, which supposedly means that even discussions about crime or terrorism would not be caught. But after the system exists, a single software update is all that would be needed for it to search for whatever the government disapproves of, or anything that fails to generate profit.

That includes peptides. If this passes, then within a few years, getting peptides through an ordinary chat app — the kind plenty of us rely on, like whatsapp or telegram — would probably become impossible without difficult, elaborate technical workarounds. The reason is that the law covers scanning done on the client side, before a message is even transmitted, meaning the device performs the scan rather than the app. That makes it apply across every messaging app. Forums of this kind are explicitly covered as well.

Example: The UK’s CCTV Networks (1990s) (disclosure: used ai here)

After London’s "Ring of Steel" was installed in 1993 for counter-terrorism purposes, the UK’s CCTV network grew within 1 to 4 years to the point of monitoring minor offenses.

  • Under the banner of counter-terrorism (aimed specifically at the IRA threat), cameras were rolled out heavily throughout British cities.
  • After the physical camera infrastructure had been funded and installed on every street corner, the purpose changed. These days, the network issues fines for littering and minor traffic violations, and is used to watch public assemblies.

On Monday, 29 June, the EU trilogue negotiations over the Chat Control 2.0 proposal ended without a final agreement or a concluded decision. The meeting therefore closed without the file being settled, and rather than immediate adoption or rejection of the law, more negotiations were anticipated.

A vote is now likely to be put on the schedule for July.

Link to a useful site with helpful ways to combat it: https://fightchatcontrol.eu
Pedophiles are not their concern at all. In fact, a large number of them are pedophiles themselves. Their real aim is total control over every aspect of your life. Peptides will be off the table for you — just crickets and vaccines.
 
rkbleddyn said:

It looks like the EU is run by appointed officials rather than elected ones, and they couldn't care less what the common people think. That's the impression I get, anyway, as someone from the US — a barbarian out of the wild wild west.

And somehow the UK seems to be wrapped up in this too, even though I was under the impression that their Brexit move meant they'd stepped away from that whole arrangement. So honestly, I don't understand how any of it functions, but I want nothing to do with it.

Give me Latin America instead — down there, nobody seems to be in a panic about hormone replacement therapy or peptides the way the FDA is, or the way those in power in the EU are. Everyone I know in that part of the world is involved with that stuff and nobody bats an eye. I'd honestly take my chances stepping into a hole in the road and snapping my ankle over having a pack of bureaucrats breathing down my neck about matters that are none of their concern — and that's here in my first world country with flawless infrastructure and sidewalks free of giant holes.
Well, you did use the word "arse" 🤣
 
For several years now, this has been discussed in the EU, yet a handful of nations with some spine managed to vote it down.

Every security-focused IT expert cautions that this would invade privacy, and they claim that if it passes, China would not even come close.

The justification they use to push this law through is protecting children from pedofiles.

Still, there have to be alternative methods to protect children rather than enforcing this kind of total massurveilance.

It is crazy, and EU citizen needs to understand the risks, but the media barely covers it.
 
Without a doubt, everyone of us in Europe—and in America as well—is facing some extremely dystopian days ahead. The thing that scares me more than anything is just how quickly our liberties are being stripped away, and on top of that we end up with a society that costs more while being far less safe.

When it comes to our peptides, we'll be forced back onto the darknet ☠️
 
Thighknee said:

Without a doubt, everyone of us in Europe—and in America as well—is facing some extremely dystopian days ahead. The thing that scares me more than anything is just how quickly our liberties are being stripped away, and on top of that we end up with a society that costs more while being far less safe.

When it comes to our peptides, we'll be forced back onto the darknet ☠️
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

That sums it up nicely. Thanks, Benjamin!
 
Thighknee said:

Without a doubt, everyone of us in Europe—and in America as well—is facing some extremely dystopian days ahead. The thing that scares me more than anything is just how quickly our liberties are being stripped away, and on top of that we end up with a society that costs more while being far less safe.

When it comes to our peptides, we'll be forced back onto the darknet ☠️
If that day comes, send me a private message and explain the darknet to me.
 
cheaperseeker said:

Thighknee said:

Without a doubt, everyone of us in Europe—and in America as well—is facing some extremely dystopian days ahead. The thing that scares me more than anything is just how quickly our liberties are being stripped away, and on top of that we end up with a society that costs more while being far less safe.

When it comes to our peptides, we'll be forced back onto the darknet ☠️
If that day comes, send me a private message and explain the darknet to me.
If this forum hasn't disappeared by that point, my guess is there will be sections dedicated to darkweb usage sitting beside the existing How to Use Crypto threads. Step one would be setting up a TOR browser...
 
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