The GLP-1 paradox: Weight loss drugs may lead to stigma

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
 
Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
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No matter which path you take, you're caught. My take: forget them.
 
These are just the bits they're willing to own up to.

Deep down, those judgmental jerks spent the whole time looking down on us. So what? I feel amazing!
 
Slimness functions as a marker of social standing. So when someone uses medication to boost that standing, it gets viewed with disapproval — and since the standing is then seen as drug-derived and therefore fake, does that make it worse than simply staying heavy?

The way humans behave around social rank is deeply unsettling at its core. And it is wired into us very far down.

The most troubling piece is not strangers or even relatives holding obvious or subtle prejudice, but the medical field, which has a long history of mistreating people with obesity. My guess is that part of it is doctors being just as prejudiced as anyone else, and part of it is that they had no way to fix the problem, which made it especially aggravating for them. I expect medical views will gradually shift now that effective drugs exist, but only a small share of patients who might benefit from GLP's have doctors bring them up, even though as much as half the population could be helped by them.
 
Shame and ego drive most of this mindset. Have you ever picked up on how those who've managed to shed pounds often come down harder on people who are bigger? It mirrors the resentment the initial friend in a group to drop weight catches from everyone else. Nobody picks up a judgmental streak like it's an item on a shelf during a level-up—it has roots somewhere.
 
Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
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Chili777 said:

Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
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No matter which path you take, you're caught. My take: forget them.
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Seriously, everyone. This is the reason I never bring up PEDs with anybody. There's some irony in it: I'm able to speak openly about taking shrooms, yet when it comes to GLPs, I can't say a word to anyone in my circle, because I'm certain the reaction would be negative. And the double irony? The very people judging me would be the same ones who keep turning down my invites to the gym.

byefatlicia said:

These are just the bits they're willing to own up to.

Deep down, those judgmental jerks spent the whole time looking down on us. So what? I feel amazing!
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Right, it comes down to how you feel. What medications we use is nobody else's concern.
 
Let them churn out endless moralizing scare stories about what the neighbors will think, let the meso bros pat themselves on the back for avoiding a "crutch," and let the most southern women I know cluck their tongues and pull cat butt faces for decades until they die mad about it — I will STILL never quit my bullshit, be out there yelling "LA LA LA, HOORAY FOR TIRZEPATIDE, have you SEEN me lately? HELL YEAH, don't look in my freezer cause get your own."
 
No matter what choices we make, judgment from others is inevitable. If a person in my circle is going to be that critical of what I decide for my own body—to the point where it genuinely impacts my life—then they have no place in it. I feel amazing, so they can just fuck right the hell off!
 
lessthanhalf said:

Slimness functions as a marker of social standing. So when someone uses medication to boost that standing, it gets viewed with disapproval — and since the standing is then seen as drug-derived and therefore fake, does that make it worse than simply staying heavy?

The way humans behave around social rank is deeply unsettling at its core. And it is wired into us very far down.

The most troubling piece is not strangers or even relatives holding obvious or subtle prejudice, but the medical field, which has a long history of mistreating people with obesity. My guess is that part of it is doctors being just as prejudiced as anyone else, and part of it is that they had no way to fix the problem, which made it especially aggravating for them. I expect medical views will gradually shift now that effective drugs exist, but only a small share of patients who might benefit from GLP's have doctors bring them up, even though as much as half the population could be helped by them.
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I don't see it that way. The evolutionary reasoning holds up completely. What gets in the way is that individuals whose prefrontal cortex hasn't developed properly are unlikely to manage logic at all.

lessthanhalf said:

Slimness functions as a marker of social standing. So when someone uses medication to boost that standing, it gets viewed with disapproval — and since the standing is then seen as drug-derived and therefore fake, does that make it worse than simply staying heavy?

The way humans behave around social rank is deeply unsettling at its core. And it is wired into us very far down.

The most troubling piece is not strangers or even relatives holding obvious or subtle prejudice, but the medical field, which has a long history of mistreating people with obesity. My guess is that part of it is doctors being just as prejudiced as anyone else, and part of it is that they had no way to fix the problem, which made it especially aggravating for them. I expect medical views will gradually shift now that effective drugs exist, but only a small share of patients who might benefit from GLP's have doctors bring them up, even though as much as half the population could be helped by them.
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I'm entirely in agreement.

lessthanhalf said:

Slimness functions as a marker of social standing. So when someone uses medication to boost that standing, it gets viewed with disapproval — and since the standing is then seen as drug-derived and therefore fake, does that make it worse than simply staying heavy?

The way humans behave around social rank is deeply unsettling at its core. And it is wired into us very far down.

The most troubling piece is not strangers or even relatives holding obvious or subtle prejudice, but the medical field, which has a long history of mistreating people with obesity. My guess is that part of it is doctors being just as prejudiced as anyone else, and part of it is that they had no way to fix the problem, which made it especially aggravating for them. I expect medical views will gradually shift now that effective drugs exist, but only a small share of patients who might benefit from GLP's have doctors bring them up, even though as much as half the population could be helped by them.
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Which is exactly why I maintain that holding a degree amounts to nothing beyond an appeal to authority. It doesn't make anyone actually smarter. If anything, they tend to be more indoctrinated and averse to reason. Consequently, the authority their position grants them only renders their absence of good judgment more glaring.

lessthanhalf said:

Slimness functions as a marker of social standing. So when someone uses medication to boost that standing, it gets viewed with disapproval — and since the standing is then seen as drug-derived and therefore fake, does that make it worse than simply staying heavy?

The way humans behave around social rank is deeply unsettling at its core. And it is wired into us very far down.

The most troubling piece is not strangers or even relatives holding obvious or subtle prejudice, but the medical field, which has a long history of mistreating people with obesity. My guess is that part of it is doctors being just as prejudiced as anyone else, and part of it is that they had no way to fix the problem, which made it especially aggravating for them. I expect medical views will gradually shift now that effective drugs exist, but only a small share of patients who might benefit from GLP's have doctors bring them up, even though as much as half the population could be helped by them.
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Precisely. Here we have plain proof of conditioning, where they've been wired to accept the conventional approach as the sole valid one. That's why plenty of people claim 98% of the general population fits the sheep template.

Chili777 said:

Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
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No matter which path you take, you're caught. My take: forget them.
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Why hand them any satisfaction, spicy dude? Just let them be HDQed.

mybodyisasewer said:

Shame and ego drive most of this mindset. Have you ever picked up on how those who've managed to shed pounds often come down harder on people who are bigger? It mirrors the resentment the initial friend in a group to drop weight catches from everyone else. Nobody picks up a judgmental streak like it's an item on a shelf during a level-up—it has roots somewhere.
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A thought-provoking theory. I'd attribute it to envy instead, the genuine root of every sin.

mybodyisasewer said:

Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
Click to expand...

Chili777 said:

Calm Logic said:

Essentially an advertisement for going grey or compounded, by talking about the shame attached to regaining weight once GLPs become unaffordable.
Click to expand...
No matter which path you take, you're caught. My take: forget them.
Click to expand...

Seriously, everyone. This is the reason I never bring up PEDs with anybody. There's some irony in it: I'm able to speak openly about taking shrooms, yet when it comes to GLPs, I can't say a word to anyone in my circle, because I'm certain the reaction would be negative. And the double irony? The very people judging me would be the same ones who keep turning down my invites to the gym.

byefatlicia said:

These are just the bits they're willing to own up to.

Deep down, those judgmental jerks spent the whole time looking down on us. So what? I feel amazing!
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Right, it comes down to how you feel. What medications we use is nobody else's concern.
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And ultimately, this is the reason I'd never spare a moment for those who bleat, when I'm capable of roaring.
 
FartfulCodger said:

My life is over, clearly. However shall I cope. 😭
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Honestly, whenever someone attempts to shame me, my usual response is to invite them to go get themselves some stigmata.
 
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