Struggling with sleep

[TeresaHip]

Sleep has become such a problem for me and it's driving me crazy. For days at a time I only get a few hours each night, and then I just collapse. Something has to change. The exhaustion never goes away.

Maybe I'll give disip a shot.

 

[Bluecost10]

TeresaHip said:

Sleep has become such a problem for me and it's driving me crazy. For days at a time I only get a few hours each night, and then I just collapse. Something has to change. The exhaustion never goes away.

Maybe I'll give disip a shot.

While DSIP has been beneficial for certain individuals, my suggestion would be to start by adding some cardio exercise to your everyday schedule if you haven't done that yet, or simply have a conversation with a doctor regarding the issue.

 

[TeresaHip]

Bluecost10 said:

TeresaHip said:

Sleep has become such a problem for me and it's driving me crazy. For days at a time I only get a few hours each night, and then I just collapse. Something has to change. The exhaustion never goes away.

Maybe I'll give disip a shot.

While DSIP has been beneficial for certain individuals, my suggestion would be to start by adding some cardio exercise to your everyday schedule if you haven't done that yet, or simply have a conversation with a doctor regarding the issue.

I get cardio in whenever possible. At the moment, I'm dealing with a terrible lupus flare.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

What worked for me was glycine alongside magnesium. They're both inexpensive and available without a prescription.

 

[NagChamp]

Melatonin, the supplement form of the sleep hormone (not a typo for pep!), has genuinely made a difference for me. Should that not appeal to you, I think the US offers various melatonin-free hot beverages designed to aid sleep — I can't name specific products, unfortunately — which might fit nicely into an evening routine that supports rest.

 

[5byfive]

I've shared this previously, though it likely deserves another mention. A great deal of my time has gone into coaching folks on hygiene. It genuinely helps. As for me, sleep has never come easily and never will, yet once I nailed down the fundamentals, things improved considerably.

●Keep your bedtime and wake time identical every day. That one matters enormously.

●Televisions do not belong in the bedroom.

●A chilly, darkened room. 68° is considered optimal.

●Best case, no screens for 1 hour prior to bed. That rule I fail at personally, but once you set the device down and climb into bed, DO NOT pick it up again until you rise for the day! No exceptions whatsoever.

●Should falling asleep be difficult, search out mindfulness methods and put them into practice.

●Many folks benefit from a fan or white noise device to mask surrounding sounds.

●Zero caffeine within at least 6 hours of bedtime.

●Avoid heavy meals and workouts within 2 hours of bedtime. On Tirz I've learned that a lighter dinner than usual, eaten sooner, is necessary or my sleep quality drops.

●The bed exists for sleeping (or fornicating) and nothing more. When sleep won't come after 30 minutes, leave the bed and pace about for 5 minutes. No TV or any other activity in bed. The goal is conditioning your body to associate bed with sleep alone.

Stay consistent with every one of these and results are likely. If not, a sleep study is probably the next step. I also make certain to do shots first thing in the AM so my sleep isn't affected.

 

[Celtic]

5byfive said:

I've shared this previously, though it likely deserves another mention. A great deal of my time has gone into coaching folks on hygiene. It genuinely helps. As for me, sleep has never come easily and never will, yet once I nailed down the fundamentals, things improved considerably.

●Keep your bedtime and wake time identical every day. That one matters enormously.

●Televisions do not belong in the bedroom.

●A chilly, darkened room. 68° is considered optimal.

●Best case, no screens for 1 hour prior to bed. That rule I fail at personally, but once you set the device down and climb into bed, DO NOT pick it up again until you rise for the day! No exceptions whatsoever.

●Should falling asleep be difficult, search out mindfulness methods and put them into practice.

●Many folks benefit from a fan or white noise device to mask surrounding sounds.

●Zero caffeine within at least 6 hours of bedtime.

●Avoid heavy meals and workouts within 2 hours of bedtime. On Tirz I've learned that a lighter dinner than usual, eaten sooner, is necessary or my sleep quality drops.

●The bed exists for sleeping (or fornicating) and nothing more. When sleep won't come after 30 minutes, leave the bed and pace about for 5 minutes. No TV or any other activity in bed. The goal is conditioning your body to associate bed with sleep alone.

Stay consistent with every one of these and results are likely. If not, a sleep study is probably the next step. I also make certain to do shots first thing in the AM so my sleep isn't affected.

Right, same here. By now I've gone through basically every option, and the only real fix for my sleep has been keeping up with proper maintenance. DSIP ended up making my insomnia worse, glycine had me waking up again and again, and melatonin 1.5xr did help to some degree. It didn't do much for how long I slept, but it definitely made a difference to sleep architecture. As for the various sleep herbs you can buy, none of them did a thing for me.

 

[FartfulCodger]

DSIP, Epitalon, Melatonin, and Magnesium Glycinate are among the options I've given a shot. For me, none of them has produced much benefit.

A product from Blackstone Labs named Anesthetized has caught my attention. What gives me pause is that Phenibut is one of its ingredients, and that substance has the potential to become habit-forming. Does anyone know about this?

 

[MortalM]

For most of us who aren't dealing with hormonal issues or other medical problems underneath, sleep hygiene improvements can really move the needle.

When I can, I aim to finish eating roughly 3 hours ahead of bedtime (for me that's about 7 p.m.), and I make sure to get away from screens by 10 p.m. Just those 2 changes have helped my sleep quality and my mental health enormously.

A lot of us probably don't realise how heavily too much screen time and nonstop news and social media can weigh on our well being. Usually, only after we deliberately cut back on those things do we see how big the difference really is.

 

[Beardboost]

For sleep, the most underrated peptide is definitely CJC+IPA. My sleep score jumped from 60-70 straight to 80-90 once I began the cycle, and it's stayed that steady every single day. I kicked things off on 15th May to track how it went!

 

[Celtic]

Beardboost said:

For sleep, the most underrated peptide is definitely CJC+IPA. My sleep score jumped from 60-70 straight to 80-90 once I began the cycle, and it's stayed that steady every single day. I kicked things off on 15th May to track how it went!





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I picked it up with that same goal in mind, but after coming across the anaphylaxis accounts, it's been in my freezer untouched for 7 months now

 

[pepibello]

CJC+IPA gets a thumbs-up from me. Ever since I began using it, my sleep has gotten much better — and I even dose it right after waking up, while still fasting. The reason I go with an AM injection is that I'm also on Tirz, and Tirz may slow gastric emptying, which in turn could dampen the GH pulse.

 

[TeresaHip]

NagChamp said:

Melatonin, the supplement form of the sleep hormone (not a typo for pep!), has genuinely made a difference for me. Should that not appeal to you, I think the US offers various melatonin-free hot beverages designed to aid sleep — I can't name specific products, unfortunately — which might fit nicely into an evening routine that supports rest.

Melatonin had no effect on me

 

[RetCurious]

FartfulCodger said:

DSIP, Epitalon, Melatonin, and Magnesium Glycinate are among the options I've given a shot. For me, none of them has produced much benefit.

A product from Blackstone Labs named Anesthetized has caught my attention. What gives me pause is that Phenibut is one of its ingredients, and that substance has the potential to become habit-forming. Does anyone know about this?

This is a new one on me, but after a quick look I can tell it's not something I'd touch.

Phenibut Is Neither Proven Nor Safe As A Prosocial Wonder Drug

Phenibut Is Neither Proven Nor Safe As A Prosocial Wonder Drug



Editor's note: With Mark Crislip away on yet another vacation, we present an inaugural guest post from Abby Campbell, a practicing MD, Ph.D and contributor at HealthyButSmart.com. Welcome Abby!

sciencebasedmedicine.org

A major red flag surrounding phenibut is its capacity to cause physical dependence, withdrawal, and addiction.


https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/phenibut.htm

 

[FartfulCodger]

RetCurious said:

FartfulCodger said:

DSIP, Epitalon, Melatonin, and Magnesium Glycinate are among the options I've given a shot. For me, none of them has produced much benefit.

A product from Blackstone Labs named Anesthetized has caught my attention. What gives me pause is that Phenibut is one of its ingredients, and that substance has the potential to become habit-forming. Does anyone know about this?

This is a new one on me, but after a quick look I can tell it's not something I'd touch.

Phenibut Is Neither Proven Nor Safe As A Prosocial Wonder Drug



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Phenibut Is Neither Proven Nor Safe As A Prosocial Wonder Drug



Editor's note: With Mark Crislip away on yet another vacation, we present an inaugural guest post from Abby Campbell, a practicing MD, Ph.D and contributor at HealthyButSmart.com. Welcome Abby!

sciencebasedmedicine.org

A major red flag surrounding phenibut is its capacity to cause physical dependence, withdrawal, and addiction.


https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/phenibut.htm

It's true that the feedback on it is overwhelmingly favorable. Those who are careful appear to take it only 2 or 3 times weekly, just to secure a solid night's rest. Yet another person called the withdrawal symptoms "brutal". I have no idea what that would even feel like. Apart from possibly food, I've never been hooked on anything.

 

[PinKushn]

Mr. Blonde said:

What worked for me was glycine alongside magnesium. They're both inexpensive and available without a prescription.

I couldn't agree more — 100%. My insomnia from Reta was fixed by glycine, and it also allowed my wife to get some rest at last during perimenopause.

 

[lastresort]

Taking magnesium glycinate gave me deeper sleep. Before trying other things, start with the basics

 

[Calm Logic]

NagChamp said:

Melatonin, the supplement form of the sleep hormone (not a typo for pep!), has genuinely made a difference for me. Should that not appeal to you, I think the US offers various melatonin-free hot beverages designed to aid sleep — I can't name specific products, unfortunately — which might fit nicely into an evening routine that supports rest.

One peptide option is Epitalon, since it boosts the body's own melatonin production:

Gemini said:


RankPeptideResulting Sleep BenefitBest Time to AdministerPMID1 (Tie)DSIPDeepens delta-wave (slow-wave) sleep1 to 2 hours before bed63919251 (Tie)SermorelinMaximizes slow-wave sleep and physical recoveryImmediately before bed (SubQ)2EpitalonRealigns circadian rhythm over timeEvening (1–2 hours before bed)179695902PinealonReduces nighttime awakenings over timeMorning219780843SelankCalms the nervous system before sleep30 to 60 minutes before bed282802894PE-22-28Prevents anxiety-induced sleep disruptionMorning or afternoon28955242

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In the same vein:

Jfrick11 said:


Back in January, I used Epitalon, DSIP, and Selank intranasally. My sleep scores shot up to , I was getting 2–3 hours of deep sleep most nights, and I felt more rested than I had in decades.

I finished the cycles but didn't repeat the Selank and DSIP after 4 weeks because apparently I thought I was cured.

Fast forward about six months: waking up in the middle of the night, dragging through the day, wondering what was going on... and somehow I just spent weeks trying to solve this great mystery.

Fortunately the ahh-ha did happen.... So three nights ago, I restarted them.

Night 1: sleep score

Night 2: sleep score

Night 3: sleep score 2 hours 53 minutes of deep sleep. (My sleep scores feel.to between 45-70/night).

I know everyone's experience is different, but for me, the difference has been ridiculous. I didn't realize how tired I'd become until I remembered what it feels like to wake up rested.

Here's hoping that forgetting the things that work spectacularly well, is a one off event,

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[TeresaHip]

lastresort said:

Taking magnesium glycinate gave me deeper sleep. Before trying other things, start with the basics

I've given lots of different options a shot over the years. I haven't rushed into this.

 

[TeresaHip]

PinKushn said:

Mr. Blonde said:

What worked for me was glycine alongside magnesium. They're both inexpensive and available without a prescription.

I couldn't agree more — 100%. My insomnia from Reta was fixed by glycine, and it also allowed my wife to get some rest at last during perimenopause.

Thank you. Magnesium is something I use for seizures, though it isn't glycine. I'll pick some up.