SLU-PP-332: Effective, yet accompanied by adverse reactions.

[Don]

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

 

[birdwhacker]

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

 

[Don]

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

 

[birdwhacker]

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

Haha, for the past 9 weeks my only rival has been me. Down about 27lbs

Problem is I'm getting scrawny. I really need to start lifting

 

[Don]

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

Haha, for the past 9 weeks my only rival has been me. Down about 27lbs

Problem is I'm getting scrawny. I really need to start lifting

Peptides are how most people begin this path, and the only rival they face is their own past self.

 

[gusterbuster]

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

Haha, for the past 9 weeks my only rival has been me. Down about 27lbs

Problem is I'm getting scrawny. I really need to start lifting

After you've fully achieved twink status, I'm confident you'll be an excellent bottom.

 

[birdwhacker]

gusterbuster said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

Haha, for the past 9 weeks my only rival has been me. Down about 27lbs

Problem is I'm getting scrawny. I really need to start lifting

After you've fully achieved twink status, I'm confident you'll be an excellent bottom.

What I had in mind was more of a top built for speed and low drag. Nimble enough to handle whatever angle comes up. The Swiss Army knife of twinks.

 

[gusterbuster]

birdwhacker said:

gusterbuster said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

quicksilver80 said:

I'm curious whether any of those energy-pathway compounds might make a difference. Motsc/nad/b12/ss31/caffeine. or maybe something with more punch? Or possibly bringing more carbs/calories back into the mix. I suppose that's a game most people wouldn't want to play just for the modest weightloss upside.

Planning to give NAD a shot today, and I've added extra methyl groups to balance things out. B vitamins are a daily habit for me, plus SS31 is already on its way. MotsC probably wouldn't do any harm either, though the histamine response puts me off.

Hormones might be the root cause here.

Don said:

birdwhacker said:

I take 50mg either twice or four times per day, using sublingual or oral powder.

It's a yellowish powder that smells somewhat waxy and has a strange hydrophobic feel; I typically chew it to break it apart.

It does work. This week I easily lost 3lbs, possibly more, despite keeping my exercise routine and reta dosage unchanged and eating more calories than normal.

However, you don't sense it acting. The only noticeable effect is head rushes upon standing, similar to being low carb. There might be headaches, and possibly a slight boost to cardio.

Yet after 7 days of use, and after just talking with another user experiencing identical issues, the tiredness is overwhelming. My sleep is worsening, my mental state is deteriorating, I feel depressed and without energy, and I feel physically weak.

Still, it is effective, for those who prefer "exercise mimetics" over real exercise.

I'm considering whether to just throw away what's left. I don't want to lose muscle or put my mental health at greater risk.

Additionally, I've had some lower left stomach pain over the past few days. I'm not sure if SLU is responsible, but I do think something I'm taking is causing it.

That's surprising to me, since the reports I came across say the complete reverse. According to those accounts, it makes hard cuts far more tolerable, takes away a lot of the psychological burden of dieting, and you don't even notice that you're in a calorie deficit. That doesn't line up at all with what I've been reading, so I'd really appreciate an update after 1 month if you're still taking it

All kinds of claims circulate. Comes across as influencer talk.

What I've picked up is that it suits bulking since it stops fat accumulation, while for cuts it's considered poor because it brings on fatigue.

rixsternaz said:

BAC water can't break down SLU-PP-332. To get the lyophilized powder into solution, you have to use DMSO, since that is a solvent.

Lyophilized pucks are what they've got. Odds are it isn't SLU whatsoever, and that's exactly why BAC water can be used with it.

Not at all — it came from Peptide Biohackers, people who are reliable and quite knowledgeable. That said, the amount you took, 100-200mg per day, might be the issue. As far as I understand, the standard dose is much lower than that.

Got it.

And true, that was a pretty high dose. Likely that plus the 1200 calorie deficit.

So you really committed to it, huh? Hahah damn, a 1200 deficit is basically what you'd do in the final 10-14 days before a bodybuilding show—who were you competing against?

Haha, for the past 9 weeks my only rival has been me. Down about 27lbs

Problem is I'm getting scrawny. I really need to start lifting

After you've fully achieved twink status, I'm confident you'll be an excellent bottom.

What I had in mind was more of a top built for speed and low drag. Nimble enough to handle whatever angle comes up. The Swiss Army knife of twinks.

Calling it the Swiss Army knife of twinks? That means it's no one's top pick, yet it turns out unexpectedly useful when you least expect it.

 

[birdwhacker]

Hey, just a quick update so you all know I'm still completely messed up. Do NOT take 100+mg of SLU per day!