Mots-C a few hrs before endurance exercise

Turbo-Farmer said:


Have you calculated your

HOMA-IR (Homeostatic Model Assessment for Insulin Resistance)

To measure your mitochondrial function?

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HOMA-IR isn’t really a measure of mitochondrial function. It’s an estimate of insulin resistance based on (only) fasting glucose and insulin. Mitochondrial dysfunction can be associated with insulin resistance, but that doesn’t make HOMA-IR a measure of mitochondrial health. While the two can be correlated, one doesn’t necessarily cause the other.

chewonmysac said:


HOMA-IR

.80 Optimal. Just got results today

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chewonmysac said:


I am going to take a 90-day break from MOTS-c. Got really tired after lunch this week and was trying to figure out which one was causing it, and by process of elimination, I determined it was the MOTS-c. This can happen when my body gets enough and starts to raise homocysteine. Will still run NAD+ EOD and SS-31 daily. Tough being a Rat out here.

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This is interesting, thanks for sharing. My HOMA-IR is 0.5, yet I’m quite certain I’m still benefiting from daily MOTS-c (5mg). NAD+, on the other hand, tends to crash me, so I have to be very careful with it. I guess I’m having almost the opposite experience from you.
 
miameow said:


HOMA-IR isn’t really a measure of mitochondrial function. It’s an estimate of insulin resistance based on (only) fasting glucose and insulin. Mitochondrial dysfunction can be associated with insulin resistance, but that doesn’t make HOMA-IR a measure of mitochondrial health. While the two can be correlated, one doesn’t necessarily cause

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The Mitochondrial Bottleneck

In healthy tissue (primarily skeletal muscle and the liver), mitochondria burn fatty acids and glucose to create ATP. However, when caloric substrate (particularly lipids and refined carbohydrates) exceeds the cell's actual ATP demand, the mitochondrial electron transport chain backs up.

When the mitochondria cannot keep up with the influx of fuel, a cascade begins:

1. Incomplete Beta-Oxidation: The mitochondria try to process fatty acids but stall out.

2. Toxic Lipid Spillover: Because the fatty acids aren't fully oxidized, they spill over into the intracellular space as lipotoxic intermediates—specifically Diacylglycerols (DAGs) and Ceramides.

3. The Signaling Blockade: DAGs and ceramides are highly disruptive. They activate stress enzymes like Protein Kinase C (PKC). PKC then phosphorylates the Insulin Receptor Substrate 1 (IRS-1) on the wrong amino acid (serine instead of tyrosine).

The Result: A High HOMA-IR Score

Because IRS-1 has been chemically modified by this lipid spillover, it becomes "deaf" to insulin.

Even though insulin binds to the cell's outer receptor, the internal signal to open the glucose channels (GLUT4 translocation) is blocked. To force the glucose out of the blood and into the resistant cell, the pancreas secretes massive amounts of compensatory insulin.

When you draw a fasting lab panel, this exact mechanism is what you are looking at. A high HOMA-IR score heavily implies that the liver and muscle mitochondria are functionally overloaded and actively spilling DAGs and ceramides.

Because insulin resistance is fundamentally a mitochondrial issue, the most effective ways to lower a HOMA-IR score involve either restricting the substrate going into the mitochondria (fasting, caloric deficit) or increasing the mitochondrial burn rate.

This is why there is such massive clinical interest in compounds that force mitochondria to expend energy. Therapeutics that activate AMPK (which triggers the creation of new, healthy mitochondria) or act as mitochondrial uncouplers (which force mitochondria to burn through lipid backlogs by intentionally wasting proton gradients as heat) can rapidly clear intracellular DAGs and restore insulin sensitivity.
 
Turbo-Farmer said:


The Mitochondrial Bottleneck

In healthy tissue (primarily skeletal muscle and the liver), mitochondria burn fatty acids and glucose to create ATP. However, when caloric substrate (particularly lipids and refined carbohydrates) exceeds the cell's actual ATP demand, the mitochondrial electron transport chain backs up.

When the mitochondria cannot keep up with the influx of fuel, a cascade begins:

1. Incomplete Beta-Oxidation: The mitochondria try to process fatty acids but stall out.

2. Toxic Lipid Spillover: Because the fatty acids aren't fully oxidized, they spill over into the intracellular space as lipotoxic intermediates—specifically Diacylglycerols (DAGs) and Ceramides.

3. The Signaling Blockade: DAGs and ceramides are highly disruptive. They activate stress enzymes like Protein Kinase C (PKC). PKC then phosphorylates the Insulin Receptor Substrate 1 (IRS-1) on the wrong amino acid (serine instead of tyrosine).

The Result: A High HOMA-IR Score

Because IRS-1 has been chemically modified by this lipid spillover, it becomes "deaf" to insulin.

Even though insulin binds to the cell's outer receptor, the internal signal to open the glucose channels (GLUT4 translocation) is blocked. To force the glucose out of the blood and into the resistant cell, the pancreas secretes massive amounts of compensatory insulin.

When you draw a fasting lab panel, this exact mechanism is what you are looking at. A high HOMA-IR score heavily implies that the liver and muscle mitochondria are functionally overloaded and actively spilling DAGs and ceramides.

Because insulin resistance is fundamentally a mitochondrial issue, the most effective ways to lower a HOMA-IR score involve either restricting the substrate going into the mitochondria (fasting, caloric deficit) or increasing the mitochondrial burn rate.

This is why there is such massive clinical interest in compounds that force mitochondria to expend energy. Therapeutics that activate AMPK (which triggers the creation of new, healthy mitochondria) or act as mitochondrial uncouplers (which force mitochondria to burn through lipid backlogs by intentionally wasting proton gradients as heat) can rapidly clear intracellular DAGs and restore insulin sensitivity.

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I don’t disagree that mitochondrial dysfunction can contribute to insulin resistance. I think I made that clear in my original post. My point is simply that HOMA-IR alone doesn’t measure mitochondrial function; it’s calculated from fasting insulin and glucose. An association between the two doesn’t make HOMA-IR a measure of mitochondrial health. Human data show they can dissociate; you can have a healthy HOMA-IR and still have mitochondrial dysfunction.
 
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