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If we assume the gray market is under intense scrutiny, what kind of consequences would someone who only buys for personal use actually face?

Also, could a nurse have their license revoked because of personal use only?
 
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Most folks answering this probably aren't attorneys, so any reply you get likely won't be reliable... unless somebody in here has actually had their license revoked.

Plenty of healthcare workers double as influencers and promote these products. Going purely off my own guess, they appear to be fine... at least up to now.

A friend of mine was interested in jumping on the Reta bandwagon along with the rest of us, but she's scared of losing her CDL (commercial drivers license.) A random drug test once went badly for her, and it had to be retested since it came back a false positive, so now she worries a GLP-1 could cost her the job. I mentioned I could source Tirz provided she obtained an Rx, and because of that she's now part of the group.

My non-expert suggestion, in case you (or anybody else) shares that same worry...

When the gray market peps you pick happen to be FDA appoved, locate a semi-sketchy online MD/MO/NP/APRN/PA willing to write you an Rx and go that route. For unapproved ones, I've got nothing.

That approach also works while visiting another country, since holding an Rx tends to mean fewer customs headaches.
 
I hold licenses in acupuncture and therapy. Worry? Not even slightly. At worst, customs might send me a love Letter. Some of my patients are physicians involved in reta, and they don't appear particularly concerned either.
 
AllCourtTENNIS said:

Losing your security clearance is certainly a possibility.
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Should customs intercept peptides being brought in from China, there could be consequences. This does not apply to using them, nor to GLP1s.
 
It occurred to me that if you bring something in illegally and customs confiscates it, that really ought not to have any bearing on your employment, unless your job happens to be a customs agent or something along those lines.
 
nitetrak said:

It occurred to me that if you bring something in illegally and customs confiscates it, that really ought not to have any bearing on your employment, unless your job happens to be a customs agent or something along those lines.
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In theory it shouldn't, but losing your Global Entry could potentially impact your clearance too. Just putting that out there.
 
Anyone who actually practices law would advise against it.

In the majority of jurisdictions, bringing injectable drugs across the border without holding a pharmacy license is unlawful, and so are selling and prescribing them. Buying these products also steps on the patent holders' intellectual property rights.

Consider the recent events in Switzerland (searchable on the forum) — the outcome could be a few vials short, plus a note telling you, [[Q1]]

From the perspective of customs officers, there is simply no way to determine the powder's intended use: injection or otherwise.

Their budget does not stretch to definitively identifying the peptides contained in the powder. An HPLC-MS test alone is insufficient, and with the sheer traffic volume, expenses would balloon rapidly.

Still, it is reasonable to anticipate that Lilly will put money into testing and identifying fakes. Letting 1% of turnover slip away without a response would be a shock.
 
Eh, at this point Lilly isn't taking a financial hit from the gray market. The way they've set their prices, it's mostly about squeezing insurers who are obligated to cover people with diabetes, plus the handful of employers that fund obesity coverage. Sure, they've made some inroads into the individual market, but over there they're still fighting an uphill battle with compounding pharmacies. While compounding is booming, eliminating gray won't accomplish anything. A flawless crackdown would simply push a wave of people from gray over to compounding, which would further pad the legal warchests of Hims and similar players and make the core financial problem worse for Lilly.

It'd be a different situation if they actually succeeded in closing down the compounding pharmacies, but until that happens, we aren't really their concern.
 
I'm not concerned. Should they decide to lock me up because I'm working on improving myself, fine. Still, I hope I manage to shed a few pounds while I'm in there lol
 
Gatorade said:

If we assume the gray market is under intense scrutiny, what kind of consequences would someone who only buys for personal use actually face?

Also, could a nurse have their license revoked because of personal use only?
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nitetrak said:

Most folks answering this probably aren't attorneys, so any reply you get likely won't be reliable... unless somebody in here has actually had their license revoked.

Plenty of healthcare workers double as influencers and promote these products. Going purely off my own guess, they appear to be fine... at least up to now.

A friend of mine was interested in jumping on the Reta bandwagon along with the rest of us, but she's scared of losing her CDL (commercial drivers license.) A random drug test once went badly for her, and it had to be retested since it came back a false positive, so now she worries a GLP-1 could cost her the job. I mentioned I could source Tirz provided she obtained an Rx, and because of that she's now part of the group.

My non-expert suggestion, in case you (or anybody else) shares that same worry...

When the gray market peps you pick happen to be FDA appoved, locate a semi-sketchy online MD/MO/NP/APRN/PA willing to write you an Rx and go that route. For unapproved ones, I've got nothing.

That approach also works while visiting another country, since holding an Rx tends to mean fewer customs headaches.
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Even so, purchasing approved drugs through sources that the FDA has not approved remains against the law. That said, it is extremely unlikely that individual buyers would ever face prosecution.
 
If the healthcare system in this country actually functioned properly, none of us would probably be hanging around here. The insurers refuse to cover these medications, and the drugmakers set outrageous price tags in America simply because they are able to get away with it. In my view, the whole situation is nonsense.
 
They aren't actually pursuing people who only have personal-use amounts of peptides.

Running a GCMS test on a product costs customs somewhere around $100-300 per sample, LCMS testing runs $150-500, and HPLC can range from $75 up to a few hundred dollars per sample. Now picture the sheer volume of samples that would need testing. If they tested every single kit among everything they inspect, their yearly budget would be gone inside 7 days.

Consider the expense of testing the product plus opening an investigation — payroll alone could hit $10s of thousands — and then the price of taking the case to court. All of that just to target John smith and his 1 kit of Reta or klow peptides? Most likely not. I won't claim it's impossible, but for personal-use quantities of what are essentially anti diabetic medications, they probably aren't going to be breaking down doors. The cost would be huge and the return tiny, basically burning everyone's time and money.

But if you're buying 10, 50, 100+ kits and it gets flagged, then you very well could have a problem. The more kits involved, the more likely they are to decide it might be worth chasing. Their main focus is the large scale resellers.

Now.. the medical field complicates things further. If you're arrested, that charge could cost you your medical license, depending on what you do, even when it's a personal-use amount. The medical industry holds separate behavioral/ethical standards, so even with personal use only, the charge by itself could create problems.
 
Rosco P. Coltrane said:

I'm not concerned. Should they decide to lock me up because I'm working on improving myself, fine. Still, I hope I manage to shed a few pounds while I'm in there lol
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Just keep in mind that you can't bring vials or syringes into a prison!
 
Herkimer P Shagnasty said:

Rosco P. Coltrane said:

I'm not concerned. Should they decide to lock me up because I'm working on improving myself, fine. Still, I hope I manage to shed a few pounds while I'm in there lol
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Just keep in mind that you can't bring vials or syringes into a prison!
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Yep, though he's got a contact.
 
Herkimer P Shagnasty said:

Rosco P. Coltrane said:

I'm not concerned. Should they decide to lock me up because I'm working on improving myself, fine. Still, I hope I manage to shed a few pounds while I'm in there lol
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Just keep in mind that you can't bring vials or syringes into a prison!
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There's such a thing as chargers. Papillon taught me that.
 
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