Got below 200, 230 -> 197 in 1 1/2 month.

[Riviera]

orenkaid said:

Riviera said:

Right, you had me convinced — I'll go read up on it. I'm on a bodybuilding board up in Canada as well, so getting hold of it probably won't be an issue, though I'm not meant to discuss suppliers there... not yet anyway. Thanks for the pointers — I'll come back to you about it.

Is it given as intramuscular shots?

No, still subcutaneous. There are fewer nerve endings to complain about with SubQ. It eased things a little, but he says it still stung.

You're not wrong, that's steep. Up here in Canada a few Vendor Shill list it at $250 cdn for a 10mg vial. Did your father need 5 vials for a single round?

And where did you find the protocol?

 

[orenkaid]

Riviera said:

orenkaid said:

Riviera said:

Right, you had me convinced — I'll go read up on it. I'm on a bodybuilding board up in Canada as well, so getting hold of it probably won't be an issue, though I'm not meant to discuss suppliers there... not yet anyway. Thanks for the pointers — I'll come back to you about it.

Is it given as intramuscular shots?

No, still subcutaneous. There are fewer nerve endings to complain about with SubQ. It eased things a little, but he says it still stung.

You're not wrong, that's steep. Up here in Canada a few Vendor Shill list it at $250 cdn for a 10mg vial. Did your father need 5 vials for a single round?

And where did you find the protocol?

Correct — 10mg on alternate days, and 20mg on the final day. We came across a write-up from a 67-year-old who had run the treatment with good results, so we followed his approach. Unfortunately the only protocol we had was a Reddit post. This compound is still very experimental.

Ours cost $210 for 10 vials at 10mg. I've not come across it priced anywhere near what you're seeing. We ordered ours from a Chinese seller.

 

[Riviera]

Yep — I'm on a comparable supplier, where it's $249 US for 10 vials.

How would I get the protocol off you? Do you have the Reddit link, or could you post it in here? I'm new, and I can't see any way to send a private message on this board — maybe that unlocks at some point, but not for me yet.

Could you say more about your dad's arthritis? Where was he affected, and how severe was it? Has he had a hip or knee replaced? And what's it like now?

 

[CNCCurrency]

orenkaid said:

Everything finally clicked and the work went in. Staying consistent with all of it turned into an obsession. Milestone one is done. 180 is the next thing I am chasing.

SW = 270

CW = 197

GW = 140

Below is the routine I have been running this past month.A

====================================================================

WHAT I KEEP IN STOCK EACH WEEK

====================================================================

--------------------------------------------------------------------

1. PEPTIDES AND BIOLOGICS I INJECT (under the skin)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] RETATRUTIDE

- Weekly need: 6 mg (taken once a week on Thursday)

- Comes as: lyophilized powder in a vial

[ ] HGH

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] KLOW BLEND (BPC-157 + TB-500 + GHK-Cu + KPV)

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] MOTS-c

- Weekly need: 15 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each morning, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

[ ] SS-31 (Elamipretide)

- Weekly need: 7 mg in all

- Timing: 1 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] 5-AMINO-1MQ (Injectable)

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] NAD+

- Weekly need: 75 mg to 150 mg in all

- Timing: 25 mg to 50 mg in the morning, on Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday

[ ] EPITALON

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg at night, Monday to Sunday

--------------------------------------------------------------------

2. PILLS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO SWALLOW (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] ENCLOMIPHENE (Oral)

- Weekly need: 87.5 mg to 175 mg in all

- Timing: 12.5 mg to 25 mg, taken first thing on waking at 6:45 AM

[ ] ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine)

- Weekly need: 14,000 mg in all

- Timing: 2,000 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] R-ALA (R-Alpha Lipoic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline Quinone)

- Weekly need: 140 mg in all

- Timing: 20 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)

- Weekly need: 700 mg to 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 100 mg to 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,750 mg in all

- Timing: 250 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CREATINE MONOHYDRATE

- Weekly need: 35 grams in all

- Timing: 5 grams a day at 8:45 AM, stirred into the protein shake

--------------------------------------------------------------------

3. FOOD, POWDERS AND PREPARED MEALS (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] FACTOR MEALS

- Weekly need: 7 base meals, either high-protein or keto

- Timing: Eaten every day, from 8:45 AM to 10:00 AM

[ ] FACTOR EXTRA PROTEIN ADD-ONS

- Weekly need: 7 individual protein portions (chicken, salmon or beef)

- Timing: Eaten every day with the base Factor meal

[ ] WHEY ISOLATE PROTEIN POWDER

- Weekly need: 28 scoops all told

- Timing: A quadruple scoop (70g+ protein), at 8:45 AM each day

[ ] AG1 (Athletic Greens)

- Weekly need: 7 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop a day at 8:45 AM, blended into the protein shake

[ ] EAAs (Essential Amino Acids)

- Weekly need: 3 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop stirred into the drink you have after training

[ ] UNFLAVORED ELECTROLYTE POWDER (Sodium / Potassium / Magnesium)

- Weekly need: A continuous supply for daily hydration

- Timing: Stirred into the water you sip through the afternoon fast

====================================================================

Gym work 3 Days a week

Incline walking, 15k steps, every day

So far the results have been great. Early on the pace was not what I wanted, but once a month of sticking to it had gone by, the scale began falling a half pound to a pound a day.

Stay with it, keep going, and it does work!

33 pounds in 6 weeks is seriously impressive. Though that does seem quick to me. Either way, congratulations on what you've achieved.

 

[orenkaid]

CNCCurrency said:

orenkaid said:

Everything finally clicked and the work went in. Staying consistent with all of it turned into an obsession. Milestone one is done. 180 is the next thing I am chasing.

SW = 270

CW = 197

GW = 140

Below is the routine I have been running this past month.A

====================================================================

WHAT I KEEP IN STOCK EACH WEEK

====================================================================

--------------------------------------------------------------------

1. PEPTIDES AND BIOLOGICS I INJECT (under the skin)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] RETATRUTIDE

- Weekly need: 6 mg (taken once a week on Thursday)

- Comes as: lyophilized powder in a vial

[ ] HGH

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] KLOW BLEND (BPC-157 + TB-500 + GHK-Cu + KPV)

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] MOTS-c

- Weekly need: 15 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each morning, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

[ ] SS-31 (Elamipretide)

- Weekly need: 7 mg in all

- Timing: 1 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] 5-AMINO-1MQ (Injectable)

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] NAD+

- Weekly need: 75 mg to 150 mg in all

- Timing: 25 mg to 50 mg in the morning, on Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday

[ ] EPITALON

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg at night, Monday to Sunday

--------------------------------------------------------------------

2. PILLS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO SWALLOW (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] ENCLOMIPHENE (Oral)

- Weekly need: 87.5 mg to 175 mg in all

- Timing: 12.5 mg to 25 mg, taken first thing on waking at 6:45 AM

[ ] ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine)

- Weekly need: 14,000 mg in all

- Timing: 2,000 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] R-ALA (R-Alpha Lipoic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline Quinone)

- Weekly need: 140 mg in all

- Timing: 20 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)

- Weekly need: 700 mg to 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 100 mg to 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,750 mg in all

- Timing: 250 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CREATINE MONOHYDRATE

- Weekly need: 35 grams in all

- Timing: 5 grams a day at 8:45 AM, stirred into the protein shake

--------------------------------------------------------------------

3. FOOD, POWDERS AND PREPARED MEALS (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] FACTOR MEALS

- Weekly need: 7 base meals, either high-protein or keto

- Timing: Eaten every day, from 8:45 AM to 10:00 AM

[ ] FACTOR EXTRA PROTEIN ADD-ONS

- Weekly need: 7 individual protein portions (chicken, salmon or beef)

- Timing: Eaten every day with the base Factor meal

[ ] WHEY ISOLATE PROTEIN POWDER

- Weekly need: 28 scoops all told

- Timing: A quadruple scoop (70g+ protein), at 8:45 AM each day

[ ] AG1 (Athletic Greens)

- Weekly need: 7 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop a day at 8:45 AM, blended into the protein shake

[ ] EAAs (Essential Amino Acids)

- Weekly need: 3 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop stirred into the drink you have after training

[ ] UNFLAVORED ELECTROLYTE POWDER (Sodium / Potassium / Magnesium)

- Weekly need: A continuous supply for daily hydration

- Timing: Stirred into the water you sip through the afternoon fast

====================================================================

Gym work 3 Days a week

Incline walking, 15k steps, every day

So far the results have been great. Early on the pace was not what I wanted, but once a month of sticking to it had gone by, the scale began falling a half pound to a pound a day.

Stay with it, keep going, and it does work!

33 pounds in 6 weeks is seriously impressive. Though that does seem quick to me. Either way, congratulations on what you've achieved.

After that it sat still for a month, haha. Getting moving again took a reverse diet plus plenty of heavy lifting.

 

[SVT810E]

orenkaid said:

Mr. Blonde said:

That is excellent. You are doing exactly what it takes to hold on to muscle, or even add some, while the fat comes off. Stay at it, and do not let the slowdown get to you. Progress always grinds down as the goal gets nearer, which is not the same as it having stopped working. Well done

Aye, the most recent dexa scan put my muscle gain for the past month at 3lbs. That tells me I am definitely doing this the right way.

Worth remembering that a DEXA scan isn't measuring muscle — what it measures is lean mass. Lean mass takes in every bit of your water, and you're running compounds such as HGH and testosterone plus things like creatine, all of which hold on to fluid noticeably.

 

[BNLFL]

randompersonrandom said:

Is gallbladder trouble something you should be keeping an eye on when the weight comes off this fast? I have never given those risks much thought, since I never exceeded 2 lbs a week once the first ten pounds of water had gone, but at the speed you are going it looks worth watching.

On top of that, and I'm with you. Mine came to 2.1lbs a week. Losing it that fast does nothing to help with the loose skin.

CNCCurrency said:

orenkaid said:

Everything finally clicked and the work went in. Staying consistent with all of it turned into an obsession. Milestone one is done. 180 is the next thing I am chasing.

SW = 270

CW = 197

GW = 140

Below is the routine I have been running this past month.A

====================================================================

WHAT I KEEP IN STOCK EACH WEEK

====================================================================

--------------------------------------------------------------------

1. PEPTIDES AND BIOLOGICS I INJECT (under the skin)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] RETATRUTIDE

- Weekly need: 6 mg (taken once a week on Thursday)

- Comes as: lyophilized powder in a vial

[ ] HGH

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] KLOW BLEND (BPC-157 + TB-500 + GHK-Cu + KPV)

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] MOTS-c

- Weekly need: 15 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each morning, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

[ ] SS-31 (Elamipretide)

- Weekly need: 7 mg in all

- Timing: 1 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] 5-AMINO-1MQ (Injectable)

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] NAD+

- Weekly need: 75 mg to 150 mg in all

- Timing: 25 mg to 50 mg in the morning, on Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday

[ ] EPITALON

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg at night, Monday to Sunday

--------------------------------------------------------------------

2. PILLS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO SWALLOW (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] ENCLOMIPHENE (Oral)

- Weekly need: 87.5 mg to 175 mg in all

- Timing: 12.5 mg to 25 mg, taken first thing on waking at 6:45 AM

[ ] ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine)

- Weekly need: 14,000 mg in all

- Timing: 2,000 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] R-ALA (R-Alpha Lipoic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline Quinone)

- Weekly need: 140 mg in all

- Timing: 20 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)

- Weekly need: 700 mg to 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 100 mg to 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,750 mg in all

- Timing: 250 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CREATINE MONOHYDRATE

- Weekly need: 35 grams in all

- Timing: 5 grams a day at 8:45 AM, stirred into the protein shake

--------------------------------------------------------------------

3. FOOD, POWDERS AND PREPARED MEALS (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] FACTOR MEALS

- Weekly need: 7 base meals, either high-protein or keto

- Timing: Eaten every day, from 8:45 AM to 10:00 AM

[ ] FACTOR EXTRA PROTEIN ADD-ONS

- Weekly need: 7 individual protein portions (chicken, salmon or beef)

- Timing: Eaten every day with the base Factor meal

[ ] WHEY ISOLATE PROTEIN POWDER

- Weekly need: 28 scoops all told

- Timing: A quadruple scoop (70g+ protein), at 8:45 AM each day

[ ] AG1 (Athletic Greens)

- Weekly need: 7 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop a day at 8:45 AM, blended into the protein shake

[ ] EAAs (Essential Amino Acids)

- Weekly need: 3 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop stirred into the drink you have after training

[ ] UNFLAVORED ELECTROLYTE POWDER (Sodium / Potassium / Magnesium)

- Weekly need: A continuous supply for daily hydration

- Timing: Stirred into the water you sip through the afternoon fast

====================================================================

Gym work 3 Days a week

Incline walking, 15k steps, every day

So far the results have been great. Early on the pace was not what I wanted, but once a month of sticking to it had gone by, the scale began falling a half pound to a pound a day.

Stay with it, keep going, and it does work!

33 pounds in 6 weeks is seriously impressive. Though that does seem quick to me. Either way, congratulations on what you've achieved.

Exactly, 5.5lbs a week is far more than it should be.

 

[orenkaid]

BNLFL said:

randompersonrandom said:

Is gallbladder trouble something you should be keeping an eye on when the weight comes off this fast? I have never given those risks much thought, since I never exceeded 2 lbs a week once the first ten pounds of water had gone, but at the speed you are going it looks worth watching.

On top of that, and I'm with you. Mine came to 2.1lbs a week. Losing it that fast does nothing to help with the loose skin.

CNCCurrency said:

orenkaid said:

Everything finally clicked and the work went in. Staying consistent with all of it turned into an obsession. Milestone one is done. 180 is the next thing I am chasing.

SW = 270

CW = 197

GW = 140

Below is the routine I have been running this past month.A

====================================================================

WHAT I KEEP IN STOCK EACH WEEK

====================================================================

--------------------------------------------------------------------

1. PEPTIDES AND BIOLOGICS I INJECT (under the skin)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] RETATRUTIDE

- Weekly need: 6 mg (taken once a week on Thursday)

- Comes as: lyophilized powder in a vial

[ ] HGH

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] KLOW BLEND (BPC-157 + TB-500 + GHK-Cu + KPV)

- Weekly need: 7 standard subcutaneous doses, one a day

- Timing: Every night, Monday to Sunday

[ ] MOTS-c

- Weekly need: 15 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each morning, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

[ ] SS-31 (Elamipretide)

- Weekly need: 7 mg in all

- Timing: 1 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] 5-AMINO-1MQ (Injectable)

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg each and every morning, Monday to Sunday

[ ] NAD+

- Weekly need: 75 mg to 150 mg in all

- Timing: 25 mg to 50 mg in the morning, on Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday

[ ] EPITALON

- Weekly need: 35 mg in all

- Timing: 5 mg at night, Monday to Sunday

--------------------------------------------------------------------

2. PILLS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO SWALLOW (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] ENCLOMIPHENE (Oral)

- Weekly need: 87.5 mg to 175 mg in all

- Timing: 12.5 mg to 25 mg, taken first thing on waking at 6:45 AM

[ ] ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine)

- Weekly need: 14,000 mg in all

- Timing: 2,000 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] R-ALA (R-Alpha Lipoic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline Quinone)

- Weekly need: 140 mg in all

- Timing: 20 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)

- Weekly need: 700 mg to 1,400 mg in all

- Timing: 100 mg to 200 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid)

- Weekly need: 1,750 mg in all

- Timing: 250 mg, once a day at 8:45 AM alongside the OMAD meal

[ ] CREATINE MONOHYDRATE

- Weekly need: 35 grams in all

- Timing: 5 grams a day at 8:45 AM, stirred into the protein shake

--------------------------------------------------------------------

3. FOOD, POWDERS AND PREPARED MEALS (every day)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ] FACTOR MEALS

- Weekly need: 7 base meals, either high-protein or keto

- Timing: Eaten every day, from 8:45 AM to 10:00 AM

[ ] FACTOR EXTRA PROTEIN ADD-ONS

- Weekly need: 7 individual protein portions (chicken, salmon or beef)

- Timing: Eaten every day with the base Factor meal

[ ] WHEY ISOLATE PROTEIN POWDER

- Weekly need: 28 scoops all told

- Timing: A quadruple scoop (70g+ protein), at 8:45 AM each day

[ ] AG1 (Athletic Greens)

- Weekly need: 7 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop a day at 8:45 AM, blended into the protein shake

[ ] EAAs (Essential Amino Acids)

- Weekly need: 3 scoops all told

- Timing: 1 scoop stirred into the drink you have after training

[ ] UNFLAVORED ELECTROLYTE POWDER (Sodium / Potassium / Magnesium)

- Weekly need: A continuous supply for daily hydration

- Timing: Stirred into the water you sip through the afternoon fast

====================================================================

Gym work 3 Days a week

Incline walking, 15k steps, every day

So far the results have been great. Early on the pace was not what I wanted, but once a month of sticking to it had gone by, the scale began falling a half pound to a pound a day.

Stay with it, keep going, and it does work!

33 pounds in 6 weeks is seriously impressive. Though that does seem quick to me. Either way, congratulations on what you've achieved.

Exactly, 5.5lbs a week is far more than it should be.

No loose skin on me. I'd say with 100% confidence that roughly half of what came off was probably water. The Whoosh Effect I went through makes that clear.