Experts Warn the UK Is Turning Into a Free-for-All on Experimental Peptide Sales

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Peptide Sales Online Go Unregulated as UK Responsibility Gap Widens, Warns Specialist



Prof Channa Jayasena argues that rising online trade in unregulated compounds could prove deadly, with no single regulator clearly holding the responsibility

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www.theguardian.com

There's a second investigation here, looking at one particular company



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Wellness Brand Ambassadors Tied to an Illegal Steroid Marketplace Run Over Telegram



Gencore Global's ambassadors pointed their followers towards Telegram channels selling steroids, prescription medicines and experimental peptides

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We're flying awfully close to the sun here.
 
According to the piece, people are shooting peptides straight into their veins. That's where I stopped reading.
 
Poor England. This is the calibre of their "experts" now. THe US has its own version in the "gun control experts", who know nothing beyond whatever they're paid to promote.

Jayasena reckons people are buying the stuff and injecting it into their veins, calls that atrocious, and warns it could end in deaths — [Peptides are] produced using a range of very powerful solvents which then have to be stripped out during processing to a purity sufficient to keep them safe, he said.

Conservative MP Luke Evans said the UK is letting people put this stuff into their bodies with no real idea what it does or how it works, which he called a genuinely frightening position to be in, he said.

First off, YOU AREN'T LETTING US DO SQUAT, and secondly WE DO HAVE QUITE AN IDEA of how this stuff "works". The fear mongering on display...staggering. Fortunately, as adults, we're free to CHOOSE to act on our own ideas at OUR own expense. Mostly free. Not if these fn morons get to write more stupid "laws" telling us and demanding we bow to them. Unless we happen to be one of those people — then we're free to wreak havoc on civilized society with no fear of retribution. meh YMMV
 
JoonyO said:

Poor England. This is the calibre of their "experts" now. THe US has its own version in the "gun control experts", who know nothing beyond whatever they're paid to promote.

Jayasena reckons people are buying the stuff and injecting it into their veins, calls that atrocious, and warns it could end in deaths — [Peptides are] produced using a range of very powerful solvents which then have to be stripped out during processing to a purity sufficient to keep them safe, he said.

Conservative MP Luke Evans said the UK is letting people put this stuff into their bodies with no real idea what it does or how it works, which he called a genuinely frightening position to be in, he said.

First off, YOU AREN'T LETTING US DO SQUAT, and secondly WE DO HAVE QUITE AN IDEA of how this stuff "works". The fear mongering on display...staggering. Fortunately, as adults, we're free to CHOOSE to act on our own ideas at OUR own expense. Mostly free. Not if these fn morons get to write more stupid "laws" telling us and demanding we bow to them. Unless we happen to be one of those people — then we're free to wreak havoc on civilized society with no fear of retribution. meh YMMV
 
m100568 said:

According to the piece, people are shooting peptides straight into their veins. That's where I stopped reading.
I'm with the sentiment, but the reporting doesn't need to be factually sound in order to frighten the people who can make our lives harder. Truth is, once you cut yourself loose from accuracy, building a boogeyman gets a lot easier.

Recall Brandolini's law:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.

Click to expand...
 
In the UK you can legally hold testosterone and anabolic steroids for your own use, so it beats me why steroids and peptides are suddenly being painted as a public health emergency.

The piece is wildly sensationalist too: “wild west,” “lawlessness,” “someone’s going to die,” plus people injecting peptides “into their veins," — and yet not a scrap of data.

Typical scaremongering piece.
 
There's always a crowd who enjoy frightening themselves and then handing that fear on. To my mind none of this has anything to do with prevention or support.

Doctors dug their heels in over handwashing in exactly the same way, or more recently when molecular genetics drove big advances in biology.

How research gets done is shifting.

Hundreds of thousands of people are using grey peptides, getting (impressive) results, and running into no more trouble than with the official drugs — against that, you have a few dozen or a few hundred people in pharma-funded studies. It's time to accept that there is interesting data to be collected, and collected differently. Unlike rats, (some) humans can think, and can take part in the experiment.

Old-school doctors have a crisis on their hands: AI can diagnose better and faster, while the spread of medical knowledge will strip them of a dominance built on the supposed omnipotence of what they know (Yes, I've had teachers who were former disciples of Jacques Lacan 😉

Thomas Kuhn documented these upheavals in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions

(that wiki page is excellent!)
 
Thanks for posting both of these — I still reckon the upside easily outweighs the (mitigable) risks for most grey folks, but each article does land a fair point about what's dangerous for consumers who don't inform themselves.

Social media resellers always report THE BEST RESULTS with [insert literally any pep here], no side effects whatsoever, it now lives in their "forever stack", get yours here before it's gone, blah blah. They'll also make grand claims about testing/COAs, dosing schedules, and so on, and basically steer people away from doing their own homework — because there's no insane profit in customers who know better, right?

Then on the flip side you get people who pile in behind the fear-mongering so that they never have to think a single thought of their own and can just parrot back what they've been told, like good lil robots.

Every industry puts money ahead of safety; that doesn't make any given thing inherently dangerous. Still, business sees an informed consumer as a dangerous one, because it threatens the money-grab here... journalists included, and the more outrageous/click-baity/rage-baity it is, the more moneeeeyyyyyyyyyyy.

ThEy'Re gOInG rIGhT fOR tHe vEInSsSssss, HALP. It's fear-mongering, it's deliberate blurring of lines, and I just know it's gonna cost grey folks a pretty penny later on.

Last week I did watch a clip of someone pinning forgotten/who-knows-how-old compounded GHK from the back of their fridge, raw-dogging it with not an alcohol swab in sight and guessing at unit dosing... She wasn't chasing veins though, so there's that at least 🥲
 
The sensationalism in this is par for the course. Scaremongering, aimed at keeping big pharma in charge. Rage-bait.

That said, there is a responsibility on all of us in forums such as this one: pushing good research and sound practice.
 
If peptides really are used this widely, there ought to be death statistics backing up such sensational claims...maybe even a graph or two...
 
Flash-BCR said:

If peptides really are used this widely, there ought to be death statistics backing up such sensational claims...maybe even a graph or two...
The only ones I've come across are the Calgary hospital cases and the Australian one already raised on the forum.


https://cumming.ucalgary.ca/sites/default/files/teams/127/pearl-ofthe-week/CPT-pearl-unauthorized-injectable-peptides.pdf


I read an account from a guy (on Reddit?) who said he'd just got back from the ER — allergic reactions, yet he kept upping the dose. Then another from a firefighter who'd pulled a bloke out after a “peptides” overdose.

Nothing about peptides makes them idiot-proof.

It puts me in mind of the lads at the gym in the ’80s who lost their balls to self-injected testosterone.
 
Remember the "Tide Pod Challenge" 🤡

Face it: some small slice of any civilisation is made up of people who'll be weeded out regardless.

Drugs, alcohol, firearms, cars, a toaster, aspirin — whatever it is, some idiot will always use it to take themselves out of the gene pool.

Which may not be the worst outcome.

There's not much we can do, I suspect. All we can hope is that it's recognised for what it is — dumb people doing dumb sh!t, and not grounds for clamping down further on our freedom.
 
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