Dedicated Hospira Bac Water Updates
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TazaTaza
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I forgot about that site! I mix it up w/Med Ex! I might grab the 20 mL case for $55 but was on the fence bc ppl talking about things going cloudy w/saline. I know science-wise that shouldn't happen bc name brand uses saline in their formulations lol but hey these CN vendors don't disclose their formulations or what's in the filler.
I might have to gamble and get some H Saline bac bc the water situation is not looking good and I would rather have some type of H Bac vs none at all. I might grab 2 cases for $110 so I would have 20 mL * 50 = 1000 mL = 1L (unit cost is $0.11/mL which is literally similar cost to vendor water!) of saline BAC and I should be good for the next 2 yrs or so if my peps agree w/saline! Also saline makes the inj feel more comfortable. I know some ppl exclusively use saline BAC so I hope it works out for me.
BNLFL
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That's where mine is coming from Saturday. I like that ignore button.
eidos
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Phew, I'm not the only one!
I even bought small round colored stickers to help me know what's inside each pen. It feels like I'm regressing to age 7 ;-)
? Ignore button? That message wasn't to you. The one above was I was talking about how they just stopped with the single options & said they must be getting busy. I wasn't trying to annoy or offend you. The other message was to someone else
BNLFL
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Not you. You're fine.WLBLD said:
? Ignore button? That message wasn't to you. The one above was I was talking about how they just stopped with the single options & said they must be getting busy. I wasn't trying to annoy or offend you. The other message was to someone else
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BNLFL
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I just was looking at Amsco again, and am I seeing right, $325/case?
BNLFL
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Did you see this? It's that tasa guy.
That's just crazy. I guess I did.
It's great that you get your shit tested! Hopefully I'm not upsetting anyone in this thread by continuing to address this for so long.
Once again, I never said I think vendor water is risky. I just think it's odd that you trust vendor water and not DIY, especially given you acknowledge vendors failing testing multiple times. I don't understand why you think DIY is inherently unsterile but you think reconstitution isn't an issue. If DIY bac water is impossible to do in a sterile manner, then so is recon, imo. The technique for both is the same.
Yeah, if I decide to go the homebrew route, it would be to save money. I can get an 8 oz glass bottle of BA for $23, which is enough for 80+ oz of bac water. Of course, I still haven't been able to source SWFI and I haven't found any direct answers about the difference between that and sterile water for irrigation and what the potential issues could be. Since I have a high risk tolerance for myself but a very low risk tolerance for my loved ones, I'll most likely suck it up and get a case on medex or something for $300, which is only $12 a bottle. I don't mind spending more to buy in bulk, it's what I always do much to my girlfriend's frustration, but spending more than .50 cents a ml is just too much for me to stomach.
To address the risks you listed:
- If you source actual SWFI, there's no risk it's not sterile. It's a medical product with very strict testing that's held to a very high standard.
- Poor aseptic technique is a risk whether you're mixing peptides or DIYing bac water. There's no difference in the two, so if you accept reconstitution as a manageable risk, you should be able to acknowledge bac water as the same.
- Wrong BA concentration is actually much less of a risk doing it yourself than buying unknown vendor water, imo. You know exactly how much SWFI you've got and therefore, exactly how much benzyl alcohol to add to it. And again, the concentration varies between .9% to 1.5% so it's not like there's such a narrow window it's impossible to measure at home with a standard insulin syringe.
- Again, this is the same risk as peptides in general. If you accept that your peptides won't become infected with endotoxins when you're reconstituting them, you should be able to accept that with bac water. SWFI is sterile and is tested meticulously for endotoxins, so there's no risk it was already there.
- See above. Regardless of if you're doing DIY bac water or using H water, you should still be filtering your peptides with a sterile filter after recon because the risk of these things being in your peptides is much higher than them being in the water. Yeah, it won't remove endotoxins but it'll remove bacteria, fungi, and some viruses.
- And this is the big one. Why do you believe it will never be sterile? You still haven't explained that, and this is the one that gets me the most. Why can you accept mixing peptides in your home as sterile enough but not adding benzyl alcohol to sterile water? What is it about that that makes you think it's so much worse? It would make sense to me if someone was saying "none of this is sterile enough, we shouldn't be doing it at all" but that's obviously not what you believe.
Again, I'm not at all trying to be a dick or anything. I just see this thought process all the time and it just doesn't make sense to me at all. If people can accept the risk of reconstituting their own drugs at home, it seems to me the risk of bac water is the same. All the tools are the same, all the techniques are the same, all the math is the same.
Oh actually, I do have one last question. For people who can't get bac water for whatever reason, do you think it would be better for them to use SWFI without a preservative at all? Or can you at least acknowledge in that instance, it might be better for them to add their own preservative, given they're most likely going to be using that peptide vial for several weeks, if not longer?
I wouldn't think my opinion matters much, but if you watch the PepTok interview with Peter Magic of Janoshik, he very clearly states that Europeans, who don't have access to Hospira BAC, all just use SWFI. He didn't talk at all about adding a preservative.
They do not, however, use the same bottle for reconstitution multiple times over weeks or months. Sounds like they break open a vial of SWFI, use it, and then break open another for the next reconstitution.
In my opinion Peter is THE authority on these matters.
stylinmomma
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I just saw an announcement, from a supply vendor, that H BAC is going up again in July, 3.50/ vial i think is what he said
TazaTaza
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I'm currently on Tir, considering the transition to R if I plateau when I get closer to my goal weight but honestly I can't plan for what ifs, I might grab the case for H Saline BAC since I need it in the near future and will grab some H singles from a US site "just in case".
But my thing is was it the bac making the R go cloudy or was it bad kits of R going around? The consensus seems split but there was a mix of ppl using CN vendor water, H water, and/or 3P tested US reseller water etc. among other things. I know L**ly have used saline successfully with R so that's why I'm confused ppl online say saline + R is an issue.
BNLFL
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He means it going up an additional $3.50/vial.
Gr33dyOctopus
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I blocked that fucker a week or two ago, not worth all the effort you are giving him
BNLFL
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Same.Gr33dyOctopus said:
I blocked that fucker a week or two ago, not worth all the effort you are giving him
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