Dedicated Hospira Bac Water Updates

RaveBaddie said:


As a European I am amazed about the crazy chaos that's going on with acquiring Hospira BAC water.

Why don't more US people just make it themselves with normal 'sterile water for injection' with BRAUN/Ampuwa 50ml glass bottles and 'Benzylalcohol USP'?

You mix it yourself, you know it's sterile and what percentage BA is in it.

And it is so much cheaper!

I really don't understand the need for Hospira...

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I don't think its as simple as just adding benzoyl alcohol to sterile water. you'd need to do it in a sterile environment like a clean room. and if you don't get the ratio exactly right you could introduce other problems. at least that's what chatgpt says 😂
 
bay_area_schizo said:


I don't think its as simple as just adding benzoyl alcohol to sterile water. you'd need to do it in a sterile environment like a clean room. and if you don't get the ratio exactly right you could introduce other problems. at least that's what chatgpt says 😂

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I disagree. I believe there is no difference in sticking a new needle in your new bottle Hospira to inject in your peptide vial as is sticking a new needle in the bottle of benzylalcohol USP, stick that needle in a new bottle of sterile water for injection and then in your peptide vial (every cap wiped with an alcohol swab first).

The ratio is 0,9%-1%. Add 0,9-1ml BA to 100ml water. For me that's simple math.

You could also use single-use ampuls of sterile water for injection without any BA.

But everybody's risk profile is different.
 
RaveBaddie said:


I disagree. I believe there is no difference in sticking a new needle in your new bottle Hospira to inject in your peptide vial as is sticking a new needle in the bottle of benzylalcohol USP, stick that needle in a new bottle of sterile water for injection and then in your peptide vial (every cap wiped with an alcohol swab first).

The ratio is 0,9%-1%. Add 0,9-1ml BA to 100ml water. For me that's simple math.

You could also use single-use ampuls of sterile water for injection without any BA.

But everybody's risk profile is different.

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so you've done this? seriously curious not trying to be a smart ass 😊
 
TazaTaza said:


I would not be surprised if L*lly collabed with Amazon so everyone can get R to their door same day when it's FDA approved.

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Like a new book by Stephen King! Or Geoge R.R. Martin!
 
bay_area_schizo said:


... at least that's what chatgpt says 😂

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ChatGPT is wrong. It's every bit as simple as it sounds. There is little magic in thr world.

CMA Pooky said:


Should we be buying Pfizer (the owner of the Hospira brand) stock?

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Number 81 on the S&P 500 index... So yes, definitely.
 
bay_area_schizo said:


I don't think its as simple as just adding benzoyl alcohol to sterile water. you'd need to do it in a sterile environment like a clean room. and if you don't get the ratio exactly right you could introduce other problems. at least that's what chatgpt says 😂

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It’s “almost” that simple. There are some precautions to take and a couple of skills to master, but it’s not the hardest thing to learn. It only took my research director 10 minutes to show me how to do it nn years ago 🙂

A “clean room” is only necessary for (semi-)industrial production intended for sale. Local pharmacy labs are clean, but they can’t be qualified as “clean rooms.”
 
bay_area_schizo said:


so you've done this? seriously curious not trying to be a smart ass 😊

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Yes, it was given to me as advice from a more experienced peptide enthousiast here at the forum when I was very new at this and couldn't find Hospira BAC in The Netherlands.

I'm a person that likes to be able to procure supplies and DIY a lot. I like to be as informed and independent as I can be 😉

I'm collecting a shipment from my DHL packstation in Germany tomorrow with a box of Ampuwa 50ml glass sterile water bottles.

I plan to gift them to friends that are starting peps because of me 🙂

I have reconstituted several vials with my DIY BAC water without any problems.
 
RaveBaddie said:


I disagree. I believe there is no difference in sticking a new needle in your new bottle Hospira to inject in your peptide vial as is sticking a new needle in the bottle of benzylalcohol USP, stick that needle in a new bottle of sterile water for injection and then in your peptide vial (every cap wiped with an alcohol swab first).

The ratio is 0,9%-1%. Add 0,9-1ml BA to 100ml water. For me that's simple math.

You could also use single-use ampuls of sterile water for injection without any BA.

But everybody's risk profile is different.

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I've been looking into making my own bac water for a while now and it feels like there's a ton of fearmongering going on, so it's been really difficult to find any advice from someone who's actually done this. It's very odd to me that a group of people willing to buy realistically unknown peptides online are so against the idea of making their own bac water at home. I don't understand why they think it's fine to reconstitute peptides on their own, but suddenly mixing a very simple ratio of BA to sterile water is a step too far? It's...weird.

Anyway, my question is this: Do you happen to know if there's any real difference between sterile water for injection, USP sterile water, and sterile water for irrigation? And if standard benzyl alcohol USP in a sterile glass bottle would work?

Basically, most of the sites I've found selling sterile water for injection specifically require you to have a prescription or a medical license. But I can easily find all kinds of different sterile water on Amazon, for example, including one that says this:

  • UFC Bio's ultra pure grade water is RNase/DNase/endotoxin free, sterile, 0.05um filtered and autoclaved to ensure premium quality. Each batch is tested for RNase/DNase/endotoxin activity.
It seems to me something like that should work, but again, it's incredibly difficult to get any clear answers. I will say, my risk tolerance for myself seems to be higher than a lot of other people's, but part of the problem is I also prepare peptides for my little sister and my girlfriend, so I want to make sure everything is as safe as possible.

Thanks for any clarification/advice you can offer! I'm also curious if you happen to know -- I know BAC water isn't actually common in Europe and most people just use sterile water for injection on its own, I'm just wondering how that works with a vial that has multiple doses? Like, even if you toss the water itself after only using it to reconstitute one peptide (I'm assuming that's what it means by single use, but again, I have no experience with this), the peptide vial itself is still multiple doses, so how does that work? Luckily when I first started all this, I bought a multi pack of bac water on Amazon, but I am down to my last bottle, so I need to figure something out in the next couple months.
 
J.Ayden said:


And if standard benzyl alcohol USP in a sterile glass bottle would work?

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Nothing grows in 99%+ alcohol: the little creatures need water. It's the same principle as jams and cherries in kirsch.

J.Ayden said:


  • UFC Bio's ultra pure grade water is RNase/DNase/endotoxin free, sterile, 0.05um filtered and autoclaved to ensure premium quality. Each batch is tested for RNase/DNase/endotoxin activity.
It seems to me something like that should work, but again, it's incredibly difficult to get any clear answers.

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You need to find sterile, pyrogen-free water, specified for injection. RNAse-free water is for another use. Unlike DNA and RNA strands, and cultured cells, we have an immune system.

You'll have a better chance of finding Hospira in the USA or even Canada.
 
RaveBaddie said:


Yes, it was given to me as advice from a more experienced peptide enthousiast here at the forum when I was very new at this and couldn't find Hospira BAC in The Netherlands.

I'm a person that likes to be able to procure supplies and DIY a lot. I like to be as informed and independent as I can be 😉

I'm collecting a shipment from my DHL packstation in Germany tomorrow with a box of Ampuwa 50ml glass sterile water bottles.

I plan to gift them to friends that are starting peps because of me 🙂

I have reconstituted several vials with my DIY BAC water without any problems.

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thank you RaveBaddie! this eases my mind considerably and gives me hope that maybe I can do it too 🥰
 
J.Ayden said:


I've been looking into making my own bac water for a while now and it feels like there's a ton of fearmongering going on, so it's been really difficult to find any advice from someone who's actually done this. It's very odd to me that a group of people willing to buy realistically unknown peptides online are so against the idea of making their own bac water at home. I don't understand why they think it's fine to reconstitute peptides on their own, but suddenly mixing a very simple ratio of BA to sterile water is a step too far? It's...weird.

Anyway, my question is this: Do you happen to know if there's any real difference between sterile water for injection, USP sterile water, and sterile water for irrigation? And if standard benzyl alcohol USP in a sterile glass bottle would work?

Basically, most of the sites I've found selling sterile water for injection specifically require you to have a prescription or a medical license. But I can easily find all kinds of different sterile water on Amazon, for example, including one that says this:

  • UFC Bio's ultra pure grade water is RNase/DNase/endotoxin free, sterile, 0.05um filtered and autoclaved to ensure premium quality. Each batch is tested for RNase/DNase/endotoxin activity.
It seems to me something like that should work, but again, it's incredibly difficult to get any clear answers. I will say, my risk tolerance for myself seems to be higher than a lot of other people's, but part of the problem is I also prepare peptides for my little sister and my girlfriend, so I want to make sure everything is as safe as possible.

Thanks for any clarification/advice you can offer! I'm also curious if you happen to know -- I know BAC water isn't actually common in Europe and most people just use sterile water for injection on its own, I'm just wondering how that works with a vial that has multiple doses? Like, even if you toss the water itself after only using it to reconstitute one peptide (I'm assuming that's what it means by single use, but again, I have no experience with this), the peptide vial itself is still multiple doses, so how does that work? Luckily when I first started all this, I bought a multi pack of bac water on Amazon, but I am down to my last bottle, so I need to figure something out in the next couple months.

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In my opinion if you have other ppl involved, just buy the H water at the markup or other sources of BAC water like US resellers sites, Lambda, India's Ocean, or even venny water. I'm guessing you're from the US?

It's not fearmongering at all, transferring liquids between vials with sterile syringes has way less points of failure vs you homebrewing your own BA. You have to source sterile water for inj, sterile vials, sterile BA for inj, sterile syringes? And then transfer and mix all of that in your unsterile home on ur kitchen counter I'm guessing?

Peps are expensive, spend the $ to get proper SWFI even if it's venny water or US reseller BAC water, just something.

Like you don't trust over the seas BAC water or want to pay for H water but you think you can formulate BAC water in your kitchen w/chemical reagents + generic syringes you got off of Amazon? Do you think your homebrew BAC would past testing? It's so asinine.
 
RaveBaddie said:


I'm collecting a shipment from my DHL packstation in Germany tomorrow with a box of Ampuwa 50ml glass sterile water bottles.

I plan to gift them to friends that are starting peps because of me 🙂

I have reconstituted several vials with my DIY BAC water without any problems.

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I'm set for the next several years!

Now on to more peptide hoarding... 🙃

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bay_area_schizo said:


thank you RaveBaddie! this eases my mind considerably and gives me hope that maybe I can do it too 🥰

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Thanks!

This forum is great for asking any questions and learning from other people's experiences.

Just remember to work as clean as possible with everything.

And maybe think about filtering your peptides. Some people say it's a must, some say it's a personal risk choice to not filter them.
 
TazaTaza said:


It's not fearmongering at all, transferring liquids between vials with sterile syringes has way less points of failure vs you homebrewing your own BA. You have to source sterile water for inj, sterile vials, sterile BA for inj, sterile syringes? And then transfer and mix all of that in your unsterile home on ur kitchen counter I'm guessing?

Like you don't trust over the seas BAC water or want to pay for H water but you think you can formulate BAC water in your kitchen w/chemical reagents + generic syringes you got off of Amazon? Do you think your homebrew BAC would past testing? It's so asinine.

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The person that gave me the advice on how to make your own BAC water did just that.

He sent several vials with peps reconstituted with his homemade BAC to Janoshik and the CoA was fine...
 
RaveBaddie said:


I'm set for the next several years!

Now on to more peptide hoarding... 🙃

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Nice! I didnt know that SWI was also sold in that form factor. I also make my own BAC with BA USP but until now I've just used the B.Braun Aqua 10ml Ampules.
 
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