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I’m having a strange issue with a vial—it’s never happened to me before. It looks cloudy right after taking it out of the fridge, but turns clear again at room temperature; what could be causing this?
 
vale113 said:


I’m having a strange issue with a vial—it’s never happened to me before. It looks cloudy right after taking it out of the fridge, but turns clear again at room temperature; what could be causing this?

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Interesting, can't say I have heard of this happening?
 
Most of my vials look a little frosty out of the fridge but you can tell they are clear still pretty quick. That pic does seem more cloudy like and beyond just being cold. Very odd. I unfortunately don't have any ideas but don't think I'd be pinning that. Is it the first vial from a new kit or a batch you've been using already without issue?
 
I asked Gemini about this happening and it says it has something to do with the cloud point of the liquid.

It is a natural phenomenon that has to do with that the molecules slow down when chilled and can form clusters which can disperse the light and make it look cloudy.

When the molecules are warming up to roomtemperature they move faster and the clusters fall apart and the liquid looks clear again.
 
This has never happened to me.

I have heard this advice though: if your peptide ever turns cloudy, just toss it, and start a new one.

Better safe than sorry.. and according to Peter majik "stuff can grow in there" whether it's bacteria, or aggregation, it's potentially dangerous.
 
I've seen people complain about this in the vendor TG and DC I'm part of, typically from using vendor BAC. Ultimately it's probably low quality peps but minimized impact by using higher quality recon supplies.
 
I used the water provided by the seller—this is already the fourth vial from the kit I’ve used—and I used a dose right after reconstituting it.
 
vale113 said:


I used the water provided by the seller—this is already the fourth vial from the kit I’ve used—and I used a dose right after reconstituting it.

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I wouldnt ever use vendor bac water. I swear they mean bath water and not bac water. Hospira only for me.
 
Rosco P. Coltrane said:


I wouldnt ever use vendor bac water. I swear they mean bath water and not bac water. Hospira only for me.

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OP is in Italy, and might not have a choice.
 
BNLFL said:


OP is in Italy, and might not have a choice.

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It’s virtually impossible to get the Hospira brand in Italy; I’ve used another brand from Amazon, and now I’m using one from sellers. For the future, I’ve found 1ml single-dose vials that come with a Certificate of Analysis—for whatever that’s worth.
 
The 'I would only ever use Hospira' conversation is tiring. It's practically impossible to get genuine Hospira outside of the US. The rest of the world seems to be getting on fine using this 'fake' bac water...
 
My best guess is it has something to do with the pH of the vial and of your bac. The pH of the bac is good enough for most recon, but something with this vial, your bac is closer to the iso point. I've had bac water that ended up being a little high on pH, and it reconned my tirz fine, but not my CJC because the tirz is more forgiving and has a different charge. If you have cheap pH strips, you could test a bit to see what it shows for that vial. While it wouldn't make a lot of sense because you probably recon with the same amount of bac for each vial, you could try diluting it more to give the peptide more space to dissolve even chilled. You'd obviously have to adjust your unit count accordingly to keep the same dose.
 
faloppi said:


My best guess is it has something to do with the pH of the vial and of your bac. The pH of the bac is good enough for most recon, but something with this vial, your bac is closer to the iso point. I've had bac water that ended up being a little high on pH, and it reconned my tirz fine, but not my CJC because the tirz is more forgiving and has a different charge. If you have cheap pH strips, you could test a bit to see what it shows for that vial. While it wouldn't make a lot of sense because you probably recon with the same amount of bac for each vial, you could try diluting it more to give the peptide more space to dissolve even chilled. You'd obviously have to adjust your unit count accordingly to keep the same dose.

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I had thought of something like that too, since I'm using less water—even though it's not the first time I've used 1 ml.
 
vale113 said:


I had thought of something like that too, since I'm using less water—even though it's not the first time I've used 1 ml.

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Won't hurt to give it a shot! Other than having to inject a little more for same dose
 
vale113 said:


I had thought of something like that too, since I'm using less water—even though it's not the first time I've used 1 ml.

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This is the way, especially with unknown pH on your BAC and possibly others experiencing clouding. The max I typically recon is 20mg/ml.

The issue with this vial is that each time it clouds up you get aggregation (clumping of peptide molecules). Some of them won't fully redissolve when you warm it up again. Those clumps aren't very biologically active so you won't get full dose, and they're the sort of thing that can cause immune reactions. Pharma worries about it a lot, and Trizepatide in particular is spec'ed by EL not to exceed 30mg. Reta is more sensitive and harder to dissolve so I'd go lower.

Also, wouldn't really trust AI for this kinda stuff, you'll get gibberish.

Cerca di stare al fresco!
 
joseblo said:


This is the way, especially with unknown pH on your BAC and possibly others experiencing clouding. The max I typically recon is 20mg/ml.

The issue with this vial is that each time it clouds up you get aggregation (clumping of peptide molecules). Some of them won't fully redissolve when you warm it up again. Those clumps aren't very biologically active so you won't get full dose, and they're the sort of thing that can cause immune reactions. Pharma worries about it a lot, and Trizepatide in particular is spec'ed by EL not to exceed 30mg. Reta is more sensitive and harder to dissolve so I'd go lower.

Also, wouldn't really trust AI for this kinda stuff, you'll get gibberish.

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Cerca di stare al fresco! So are you saying that he is basically fucked?
 
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