BAC Water Selection: Alpha & Omega vs Hospira

[UghItsStupidNIHateIT]

TLDR: Do I need to throw out the peptides I mixed using Alpha and Omega brand BAC water?

I'm pretty new to this whole thing. A few months back when I got started, the person who sold me the kit also provided BAC water. I have no idea what brand it was, there was no label on it. After looking into things more, I went with Alpha and Omega brand BAC because I saw some good feedback. Just recently I found out about Hospira BAC water and picked some up. Do I need to discard the peptides I already reconstituted with the A & O BAC water? So far I haven't run into any problems, but now I'm a bit worried :-/ what would you do?

 

[ultima thule]

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

TLDR: Do I need to throw out the peptides I mixed using Alpha and Omega brand BAC water?

I'm pretty new to this whole thing. A few months back when I got started, the person who sold me the kit also provided BAC water. I have no idea what brand it was, there was no label on it. After looking into things more, I went with Alpha and Omega brand BAC because I saw some good feedback. Just recently I found out about Hospira BAC water and picked some up. Do I need to discard the peptides I already reconstituted with the A & O BAC water? So far I haven't run into any problems, but now I'm a bit worried :-/ what would you do?

As long as the solution looks clear and injecting it doesn't cause you any problems, I'd say it's fine to use. Hospira is among the best bac water options, but that doesn't imply other brands are ineffective.

 

[UghItsStupidNIHateIT]

ultima thule said:

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

TLDR: Do I need to throw out the peptides I mixed using Alpha and Omega brand BAC water?

I'm pretty new to this whole thing. A few months back when I got started, the person who sold me the kit also provided BAC water. I have no idea what brand it was, there was no label on it. After looking into things more, I went with Alpha and Omega brand BAC because I saw some good feedback. Just recently I found out about Hospira BAC water and picked some up. Do I need to discard the peptides I already reconstituted with the A & O BAC water? So far I haven't run into any problems, but now I'm a bit worried :-/ what would you do?

As long as the solution looks clear and injecting it doesn't cause you any problems, I'd say it's fine to use. Hospira is among the best bac water options, but that doesn't imply other brands are ineffective.

Thank you, that means a lot to me!

 

[Ruckus4519]

The only brand most folks will tell you to use is Hospira BAC water, purely because its manufacturing is held to tight oversight since it goes to hospitals and similar facilities.

Looking at it from a safety angle, the point is simply cutting down on places where things can go wrong. If something gives you a severe reaction while you're on Hospira, chances are the BAC water isn't the culprit.

So why not play it safe and throw it out? Is money really that tight for you?

That said, the final call belongs to you. Anything you keep to yourself, we have no way of knowing.

 

[Imfrijole]

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

 

[FartfulCodger]

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

 

[Imfrijole]

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

 

[UghItsStupidNIHateIT]

Imfrijole said:

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

Same here — that's been my routine as well. But now I'm wondering if I've been wrong. If that's the case, does it mean folks are still using peptides after they've been mixed for more than 28 days?

 

[Ruckus4519]

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

Imfrijole said:

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

Same here — that's been my routine as well. But now I'm wondering if I've been wrong. If that's the case, does it mean folks are still using peptides after they've been mixed for more than 28 days?

That's something people say constantly, yeah.

There are those who even calculate it out, taking however many days the BAC has been open and deducting that from the window their peps remain good. A common figure I kept running into was "roughly 6 weeks at most." So if the BAC sat open for 2 weeks, the pep only gets used for 4 weeks max.

More recently I came across a post here saying the 28 days comes from FDA rules covering multi-dose vials. Prior to reading that, I'd also seen people argue that 28 days reflects a clinical environment, where far more puncturing goes on than what a typical pep user does.

deluge said:


Huh. You're right:

Never quite understood the 28 day recommendation. Assumed it was following some kind of sterility testing by the manufacturer.

Love this site; I learn something new every day.

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Certain folks do, or will, still throw things out at 28 days. Others run theirs all the way to 90 days. And some won't part with it until the vial is empty.

Bare minimum: always wipe the top both before and after you pin. Look for floaties or anything else that suggests visible growth.

 

[FNG33]

If your Bac has been sitting around past 28 days, that's a real issue!

Sounds like you need to up your pep intake.

 

[skeptick]

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Make certain you follow correct hygiene practices...

 

[pepstacker]

Hospira has never given me cloudiness! That said, I make an effort to keep things sanitary—I put it in a plastic bag in the fridge and use alcohol pads to wipe before and after.

 

[DrPEPr]

Saying you'll only use Hospira due to strict rules, yet ignoring those very rules—that's what gets a laugh out of me.

 

[Imfrijole]

DrPEPr said:

Saying you'll only use Hospira due to strict rules, yet ignoring those very rules—that's what gets a laugh out of me.

Fair enough, haha

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Ruckus4519 said:

The only brand most folks will tell you to use is Hospira BAC water, purely because its manufacturing is held to tight oversight since it goes to hospitals and similar facilities.

Looking at it from a safety angle, the point is simply cutting down on places where things can go wrong. If something gives you a severe reaction while you're on Hospira, chances are the BAC water isn't the culprit.

So why not play it safe and throw it out? Is money really that tight for you?

That said, the final call belongs to you. Anything you keep to yourself, we have no way of knowing.

That reply is really solid.

 

[UghItsStupidNIHateIT]

Ruckus4519 said:

The only brand most folks will tell you to use is Hospira BAC water, purely because its manufacturing is held to tight oversight since it goes to hospitals and similar facilities.

Looking at it from a safety angle, the point is simply cutting down on places where things can go wrong. If something gives you a severe reaction while you're on Hospira, chances are the BAC water isn't the culprit.

So why not play it safe and throw it out? Is money really that tight for you?

That said, the final call belongs to you. Anything you keep to yourself, we have no way of knowing.

It isn't about money. The real question was how dangerous it is to use A & O BAC water. Honestly, once everything was added up, I believe the A & O cost me more than the Hospira did.

 

[BNLFL]

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

Imfrijole said:

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

Same here — that's been my routine as well. But now I'm wondering if I've been wrong. If that's the case, does it mean folks are still using peptides after they've been mixed for more than 28 days?

Mine lasts me 90 days, though I haven't had to push it that far yet. Once we reach that R140, we could come close, but I doubt it. It ought to last around 9 weeks.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

BNLFL said:

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

Imfrijole said:

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

Same here — that's been my routine as well. But now I'm wondering if I've been wrong. If that's the case, does it mean folks are still using peptides after they've been mixed for more than 28 days?

Mine lasts me 90 days, though I haven't had to push it that far yet. Once we reach that R140, we could come close, but I doubt it. It ought to last around 9 weeks.

Hey, what's the source of that r140, man???.

 

[bbbilly]

in some other threads I've come across folks who say they simply stick with the hospira right up until the vial's empty — even at 9+ months after the first puncture — and their reasoning is that if you're going to keep it on the shelf that long, you might as well use the best product, since a below-average alcohol concentration or an off pH isn't a risk worth taking. on the flip side, I've also seen plenty of people report so few problems (if any at all) with the unlabeled water that comes with the peps that they end up finishing the entire vial within a couple of weeks regardless.

 

[BNLFL]

Gr33dyOctopus said:

BNLFL said:

UghItsStupidNIHateIT said:

Imfrijole said:

FartfulCodger said:

Imfrijole said:

My only complaint about Hospira bac water is that 30ml is the smallest option available. Given the 28 day shelf life, I’d barely use any of it.

Hardly anyone sticks to that 28-day shelf life. A single vial often gets used for 3 months or even longer. I have yet to come across any report of negative effects.

Huh, that’s news to me. I’ve been in the habit of throwing out whatever bac water I’m using once 1 month has passed.

Same here — that's been my routine as well. But now I'm wondering if I've been wrong. If that's the case, does it mean folks are still using peptides after they've been mixed for more than 28 days?

Mine lasts me 90 days, though I haven't had to push it that far yet. Once we reach that R140, we could come close, but I doubt it. It ought to last around 9 weeks.

Hey, what's the source of that r140, man???.

WW GB — that one shut down some time ago. They handle a fair amount of high-volume items. This was prior to our conversation.