Alcohol, HR and sweating

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Since starting Reta (baby dose, 1 mg), I've definitely noticed that drinking alcohol brings on a higher HR and I SWEAT! Hubby and I went for a walk, then stopped for a bite and I ordered a glass of wine. We've been home about 20 mins now and my resting HR is up and I'm sweating. Same thing happened last week at a football game — I had a drink there and not long after I was perspiring heavily, while hubby sat there cool as a cucumber, even though he's usually the one who runs hot. Has anyone else noticed hot flashes when they mix alcohol and reta?
 
If you're at the age where hot flashes happen, drinking alcohol by itself can set them off (caffeine as well).

If you aren't at that age, I don't know. When I began reta, I was already in perimenopause. Peptides didn't make my hot flashes any worse.
 
bamagirl26 said:

Since starting Reta (baby dose, 1 mg), I've definitely noticed that drinking alcohol brings on a higher HR and I SWEAT! Hubby and I went for a walk, then stopped for a bite and I ordered a glass of wine. We've been home about 20 mins now and my resting HR is up and I'm sweating. Same thing happened last week at a football game — I had a drink there and not long after I was perspiring heavily, while hubby sat there cool as a cucumber, even though he's usually the one who runs hot. Has anyone else noticed hot flashes when they mix alcohol and reta?
Once I cut back on calories and dropped the weight, I found that drinking hit me in a whole new way.

Besides the fact that a smaller body feels the effects more, it also processes it more slowly.

These days you're a cheap date! 😀

The sweating could come from alcohol's thermogenesis combined with the GIP from trizepatide.

MORE INFO-

The interaction between the thermogenesis of alcohol and GIP (Glucose-dependent Insulinotropic Polypeptide) receptor activation from tirzepatide involves two distinct metabolic processes that impact how the body burns energy, oxidizes substrates, and processes nutrients.

1. Thermogenesis of Alcohol (Diet-Induced Thermogenesis)

Alcohol (ethanol) has a relatively high diet-induced thermogenesis (DIT) compared to fats and carbohydrates, with roughly 15% to 20% of its energy value dissipated as heat during metabolism.

    • The Process: When alcohol is consumed, the liver prioritizes its clearance because ethanol cannot be stored. The conversion of ethanol into acetaldehyde and subsequently into acetate via the enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) is an energy-expensive process.
    • Metabolic Consequence: While alcohol oxidation produces a temporary thermic spike, it simultaneously suppresses lipid (fat) oxidation. The excess acetate produced suppresses lipolysis, meaning your body burns the alcohol for heat and energy while putting fat-burning on hold.
2. GIP-Mediated Thermogenesis from Tirzepatide

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP and GLP-1 receptor agonist. While GLP-1 primarily acts to suppress appetite and delay gastric emptying, the GIP component plays a unique, direct role in tissue-level thermogenesis and metabolic adaptation. [1, 2]

    • Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT) Activation: Emerging research demonstrates that tirzepatide induces a thermogenic-like amino acid signature and significantly increases metabolic activity in brown adipose tissue (BAT). This mirrors shifts typically seen during cold-exposure thermogenesis. [1, 2]
    • Energy Expenditure: Unlike standard GLP-1 monotherapies (like semaglutide), which can sometimes decrease resting energy expenditure alongside weight loss, tirzepatide has been shown to temporarily increase energy expenditure and actively enhance fat oxidation during early dosing phases, a mechanism heavily attributed to its GIP receptor agonism. [1]
The Intersection: How They Interact

When alcohol thermogenesis and tirzepatide's GIP-mediated pathways overlap, several key metabolic conflicts and alterations occur:

[th]Feature[/th][th]Alcohol Thermogenesis[/th][th]Tirzepatide (GIP/GLP-1) Thermogenesis[/th][th]Combined Effect / Impact[/th]
[td]Primary Fuel Source[/td][td]Acetate (from Ethanol)[/td][td]Lipids / Fatty Acids (Fat Oxidation)[/td][td]Blunted Fat Burning: Alcohol's metabolism shifts the body away from the fat-burning state that GIP activation enhances, slowing down weight loss goals.[/td]
[td]Metabolic Target[/td][td]Liver clearance (obligatory)[/td][td]Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT) activation[/td][td]Competing Pathways: The liver is strained by alcohol clearance while GIP is attempting to optimize systemic lipid and amino acid catabolism.[/td]
[td]Blood Sugar Control[/td][td]Inhibits gluconeogenesis (lowers blood sugar)[/td][td]Enhances glucose-dependent insulin secretion[/td][td]Hypoglycemia Risk: The metabolic load of clearing alcohol prevents the liver from releasing glucose, increasing the risk of low blood sugar.[/td]

Neurological Satiety Shifting

Beyond peripheral metabolism, both GIP and GLP-1 receptors are highly expressed in the brain's mesolimbic reward pathway. Because tirzepatide modulates these reward circuits, it drastically alters the psychological "reward" or stimulation usually obtained from alcohol. Preclinical and observational data show that tirzepatide significantly reduces voluntary alcohol consumption, binge drinking, and cravings. Consequently, many individuals find that the desire to experience alcohol-induced thermogenesis or intoxication is significantly blunted

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AllCourtTENNIS said:

If you're at the age where hot flashes happen, drinking alcohol by itself can set them off (caffeine as well).

If you aren't at that age, I don't know. When I began reta, I was already in perimenopause. Peptides didn't make my hot flashes any worse.
I figured the sweating phase was behind me, but apparently that might not be the case!!
 
Skidude said:

Once I cut back on calories and dropped the weight, I found that drinking hit me in a whole new way.

Besides the fact that a smaller body feels the effects more, it also processes it more slowly.

These days you're a cheap date! 😀

The sweating could come from alcohol's thermogenesis combined with the GIP from trizepatide.

MORE INFO-
  • Metabolic Consequence: Although breaking down alcohol creates a short-lived thermic bump, at the same time it blocks the oxidation of lipids (fat). The extra acetate that gets generated puts the brakes on lipolysis, so your system uses the alcohol for heat and energy while fat burning gets paused.
WHAT??? By putting alcohol first I GAVE UP FAT BURNING? I hope it breaks it down quickly since I need it to get to business!! 😵
 
bamagirl26 said:

  • Metabolic Consequence: Although breaking down alcohol creates a short-lived thermic bump, at the same time it blocks the oxidation of lipids (fat). The extra acetate that gets generated puts the brakes on lipolysis, so your system uses the alcohol for heat and energy while fat burning gets paused.
WHAT??? By putting alcohol first I GAVE UP FAT BURNING? I hope it breaks it down quickly since I need it to get to business!! 😵

As far as I understand it, the GIP component in Reta is 3x as potent per mg compared to Tirz, which is comparable to getting 3 mg of Tirz's worth of GIP

Also, this next part may be relevant there..

  • Energy Expenditure: Standard GLP-1 monotherapies (such as semaglutide) can at times lower resting energy expenditure in parallel with weight loss, but that is not the case with tirzepatide; it has been demonstrated to temporarily increase energy expenditure and to actively boost fat oxidation during the initial dosing phases, an effect largely credited to its GIP receptor agonism. [1]
 
Skidude said:

As far as I understand it, the GIP component in Reta is 3x as potent per mg compared to Tirz, which is comparable to getting 3 mg of Tirz's worth of GIP

Also, this next part may be relevant there..

  • Energy Expenditure: Standard GLP-1 monotherapies (such as semaglutide) can at times lower resting energy expenditure in parallel with weight loss, but that is not the case with tirzepatide; it has been demonstrated to temporarily increase energy expenditure and to actively boost fat oxidation during the initial dosing phases, an effect largely credited to its GIP receptor agonism. [1]
Appreciate it, skidoc!
 
Reta definitely makes sweating and hr worse. Alcohol does the same thing. In my case, when the two are combined, they seem to increase exponentially.
 
bamagirl26 said:

  • Metabolic Consequence: Although breaking down alcohol creates a short-lived thermic bump, at the same time it blocks the oxidation of lipids (fat). The extra acetate that gets generated puts the brakes on lipolysis, so your system uses the alcohol for heat and energy while fat burning gets paused.
WHAT??? By putting alcohol first I GAVE UP FAT BURNING? I hope it breaks it down quickly since I need it to get to business!! 😵
It really does get processed fast! Back when I was on Atkins, I figured out that once the alcohol "burns off," I could slip back into ketosis without much delay, and clear liquors like vodka hit me less than beer does (I have no firsthand experience with wine).
 
HouseCat said:

It really does get processed fast! Back when I was on Atkins, I figured out that once the alcohol "burns off," I could slip back into ketosis without much delay, and clear liquors like vodka hit me less than beer does (I have no firsthand experience with wine).
Back when I was on keto, I'd use that as an excuse to keep drinking.. lol

If you factor in thermogenesis, those calories are irrelevant.. (I don't actually buy it, but it made for a good argument)

;P
 
Sweating isn't an issue for me, though I hardly ever sweat, even when I'm working outdoors during summer around here. After 40 weeks, my RHR has returned to its usual 72BPM. Beer does appear to affect me more strongly now, which is probably because of the 60lbs I've shed.
 
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