38M, 68kg, 9% BF - does this first cycle stack up?

[techiemichael]

38 year old male, 68kg at 9% body fat. Training 5 days a week, running on the other two. 3000 calories a day, diet tightly controlled, 180g protein.

Bloods came back recently. Here they are:

Oestradiol came in at 72.1 pmol/L

Testosterone reading: 16.70 nmol/L

Free Testosterone (Calc), at 0.2788 nmol/L

SHBG sat at 45.1 nmol/L

My aim is packing on muscle, and i am considering a first cycle of 12-14 weeks. Feedback welcome:

*1iu of HGH for first two weeks then move up to 2iu.

* Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate: 250 mg per week m. Thinking of pinning subq daily.

* HCG 250IU x3 week

*Anavar 50mg per day for 6 weeks

*MotsC - 2mg x5 days a week.

*Retatrutide - maintenance dose

Any thoughts on the cycle above would be much appreciated.

 

[sfkid]

There are far more knowledgeable people on here than me when it comes to AAS cycles, but from experience i can tell you that 1u-2iu will not do anything for packing on size. It is closer to a therapeutic dose.

It might sharpen your sleep a little, and that is about it.

Hgh is a slow burn. You really need to run it past the length of your cycle - 6 months.

 

[Song1]

Agree with the above, you want to be in the 4-5iu range before you see anything from it, and even then, given the cost, i would just run another aas compound once you have completed a couple of cycles of test and anavar safely. That said, it is a slippery slope and needs careful blood monitoring and cycle support. At that low a dose i probably would not pin test c or test e any more often than EOD.

 

[Gt3294a]

techiemichael said:

38 year old male, 68kg at 9% body fat. Training 5 days a week, running on the other two. 3000 calories a day, diet tightly controlled, 180g protein.

Bloods came back recently. Here they are:

Oestradiol came in at 72.1 pmol/L

Testosterone reading: 16.70 nmol/L

Free Testosterone (Calc), at 0.2788 nmol/L

SHBG sat at 45.1 nmol/L

My aim is packing on muscle, and i am considering a first cycle of 12-14 weeks. Feedback welcome:

*1iu of HGH for first two weeks then move up to 2iu.

* Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate: 250 mg per week m. Thinking of pinning subq daily.

* HCG 250IU x3 week

*Anavar 50mg per day for 6 weeks

*MotsC - 2mg x5 days a week.

*Retatrutide - maintenance dose

Any thoughts on the cycle above would be much appreciated.





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You did not list your Igf score (or i missed it). Either way, skip it for now. It is most likely not that low, and to notice anything you would need to take 4iu, which you are not ready for yet. And you do not need it for your goals now anyway. Run a test only first cycle. Assuming you meant VAR for the last 6 weeks, that is mainly to dry out and finish up. I do not think you need that now. First cycle should be about seeing how your body reacts re e2 and hemocrit above all. Personally i would do 14-16 weeks and might think about 300 mg if you are going to treat it as a cycle (any other forum will tell you 400 at least). If you are going to come off the test, make sure your PCT is ready, since most people lose half of the gains. And if you go down this road, know this - i have been around it 30 years and i do not know one person who has done only one cycle.

 

[Mochizuki0124]

Reactions to test vary a lot from person to person. What is your plan if estrogen levels climb too high?

Drop the dose? Add AI? Mast? Primo? EQ?

2iu's of HGH is definitely too low for a 16 week cycle. By the time the cycle ends you are barely getting some of its effects.

 

[techiemichael]

Thanks for all the feedback. The common consensus here and on other platforms is to skip the HGH, so that is what i will do. In fact, as suggested, i will stick to test alone, though i will add a few peptides along the way, CJC/IPA and MOTSc for example.

Which test should i go for, Test E or Test C?

Is there a “Best PCT” worth considering? I want that to carry me out of the cycle.

On estrogen, i plan to pin daily, which i believe keeps levels down. i do not want an AI. I do not know much about Primo or Mast.

I will also start easing the calories up towards 3500 before i begin.

 

[Such1943]

I would take the time to work out your maximum dose of test before an AI/Primo/EQ becomes necessary. Mast behaves like a sarm and simply masks E2 effects. Start at a high TRT dose, say 200mg/week. Get bloods after 5 weeks and go from there. Test E and C are both long esters, so it will not matter if you are pinning daily anyway. I would also get used to intermuscular injection straight away, since most gear is designed for that route. You can go a long way on just TRT/noob/muscle memory before blasting away. For me PTC is simply cruising on TRT, but i am done having kids. My schedule looks like this: lean bulk 20 weeks (test/NPP/EQ or primo, starting right after Thanksgiving), summer dry out 6 weeks (test/EQ/mast/Anavar), cruise (TRT/mast, drop mast in Sept), lean bulk.

 

[Puller]

techiemichael said:

Thanks for all the feedback. The common consensus here and on other platforms is to skip the HGH, so that is what i will do. In fact, as suggested, i will stick to test alone, though i will add a few peptides along the way, CJC/IPA and MOTSc for example.

Which test should i go for, Test E or Test C?

Is there a “Best PCT” worth considering? I want that to carry me out of the cycle.

On estrogen, i plan to pin daily, which i believe keeps levels down. i do not want an AI. I do not know much about Primo or Mast.

I will also start easing the calories up towards 3500 before i begin.

Honestly, test E and test C make no difference. And i am a big believer in running the smallest effective dose of a compound - so 250 fits that thinking nicely, though a bit more would probably be even better.

 

[gusterbuster]

techiemichael said:

38 year old male, 68kg at 9% body fat. Training 5 days a week, running on the other two. 3000 calories a day, diet tightly controlled, 180g protein.

Bloods came back recently. Here they are:

Oestradiol came in at 72.1 pmol/L

Testosterone reading: 16.70 nmol/L

Free Testosterone (Calc), at 0.2788 nmol/L

SHBG sat at 45.1 nmol/L

My aim is packing on muscle, and i am considering a first cycle of 12-14 weeks. Feedback welcome:

*1iu of HGH for first two weeks then move up to 2iu.

* Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate: 250 mg per week m. Thinking of pinning subq daily.

* HCG 250IU x3 week

*Anavar 50mg per day for 6 weeks

*MotsC - 2mg x5 days a week.

*Retatrutide - maintenance dose

Any thoughts on the cycle above would be much appreciated.





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What is the plan once the cycle ends? Trt or PCT?

Overall it looks pretty solid. Daily sub q tends to hold hemocrit and e2 in check.

Anavar at the end or at the start as a booster? For packing on size over a planned 6 weeks, tbol over anavar is arguable. Anavar generally holds better in a cut and gives more neural drive strength gains than muscle. Strength is less likely to stick post cycle. As a first cycle, though, you will still get respectable gains.

The anavar dose may be a tad high, depending on how you respond. The pumps can be especially brutal. You may not even be able to run with calf pumps.

Most people aim for around 4iu hgh as an on cycle minimum. On its own it does not do much, but it synergises with collagen turnover, recovery, tendon strength, blah blah blah, etc

Keep a bp med of choice on hand and monitor it closely. Telmisartan is a wise pick. It is usually not strong enough to cause low BP and carries some protective effects. 40-80mg daily.

Ancillaries matter more when orals are involved. 1gram Tudca and NAC daily for the liver. Lipids will take a beating, but 80 percent of that returns about a month post cycle. If lipids really worry you, pitavastatin 2mg daily and Ezetimibe 10mg daily.

 

[Throttle883]

gusterbuster said:

techiemichael said:

38 year old male, 68kg at 9% body fat. Training 5 days a week, running on the other two. 3000 calories a day, diet tightly controlled, 180g protein.

Bloods came back recently. Here they are:

Oestradiol came in at 72.1 pmol/L

Testosterone reading: 16.70 nmol/L

Free Testosterone (Calc), at 0.2788 nmol/L

SHBG sat at 45.1 nmol/L

My aim is packing on muscle, and i am considering a first cycle of 12-14 weeks. Feedback welcome:

*1iu of HGH for first two weeks then move up to 2iu.

* Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate: 250 mg per week m. Thinking of pinning subq daily.

* HCG 250IU x3 week

*Anavar 50mg per day for 6 weeks

*MotsC - 2mg x5 days a week.

*Retatrutide - maintenance dose

Any thoughts on the cycle above would be much appreciated.





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What is the plan once the cycle ends? Trt or PCT?

Overall it looks pretty solid. Daily sub q tends to hold hemocrit and e2 in check.

Anavar at the end or at the start as a booster? For packing on size over a planned 6 weeks, tbol over anavar is arguable. Anavar generally holds better in a cut and gives more neural drive strength gains than muscle. Strength is less likely to stick post cycle. As a first cycle, though, you will still get respectable gains.

The anavar dose may be a tad high, depending on how you respond. The pumps can be especially brutal. You may not even be able to run with calf pumps.

Most people aim for around 4iu hgh as an on cycle minimum. On its own it does not do much, but it synergises with collagen turnover, recovery, tendon strength, blah blah blah, etc

Keep a bp med of choice on hand and monitor it closely. Telmisartan is a wise pick. It is usually not strong enough to cause low BP and carries some protective effects. 40-80mg daily.

Ancillaries matter more when orals are involved. 1gram Tudca and NAC daily for the liver. Lipids will take a beating, but 80 percent of that returns about a month post cycle. If lipids really worry you, pitavastatin 2mg daily and Ezetimibe 10mg daily.

Read this one carefully… solid advice.