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from what I ve been thought, I should never trust tests result from resellers.

However if the reseller privides a unique key and task number to check the tes on Janoshik’s website, is it still unreliable?
 
CtrlAltDeltoid said:


from what I ve been thought, I should never trust tests result from resellers.

However if the reseller privides a unique key and task number to check the tes on Janoshik’s website, is it still unreliable?

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yes.

There nothing stopping the vendor to test a batch, post results, sell it all.

At that point they have a good COA, they can make as many batches as they want and put the same batch number on it.
 
Skidude said:


yes.

There nothing stopping the vendor to test a batch, post results, sell it all.

At that point they have a good COA, they can make as many batches as they want and put the same batch number on it.

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Yep exactly why I don't trust them. Every bad batch has a vendor COA somewhere saying it's good 😂

Even 3p group testing isn't 100% perfect because for all we know these "batches" are different batches with the same cap color. There's no guarantee your vials are the same as the one that gets submitted, but it's better than nothing.
 
BigRed1 said:


Yep exactly why I don't trust them. Every bad batch has a vendor COA somewhere saying it's good 😂

Even 3p group testing isn't 100% perfect because for all we know these "batches" are different batches with the same cap color. There's no guarantee your vials are the same as the one that gets submitted, but it's better than nothing.

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I would agree not 100%

however, if they send out 200 kits and 2-3 are randomly selected, they better be the good ones or vendor will be refund/reship.
 
Skidude said:


I would agree not 100%

however, if they send out 200 kits and 2-3 are randomly selected, they better be the good ones or vendor will be refund/reship.

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But that's why you can't trust the vendor-provided COA and have to rely on the independent party who is selecting the randos. It's unlikely, but even a GB manager's integrity could be compromised with enough cash.
 
From my own experience...vendor had a recent COA's for peps I ordered, but evetually turned out I got delivered batches which didn't match the COA's and all them were bunk. Vendor excuses himself, he changed the supplier in the meantime due to shortage in inventory of the main supplier...but when I asked before purchase if the stuff he delivers currently match the COA's said yes 100%. In general vendors COA means shite...with some exceptions like Uther
 
Skidude said:


I would agree not 100%

however, if they send out 200 kits and 2-3 are randomly selected, they better be the good ones or vendor will be refund/reship.

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I agree, and see below.

FartfulCodger said:


But that's why you can't trust the vendor-provided COA and have to rely on the independent party who is selecting the randos. It's unlikely, but even a GB manager's integrity could be compromised with enough cash.

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That's why I buy from 6 different vendors only. 4 are TG groups and 2 are US based. Even though the organizers arrange testing, there's so many people buy from these GB, some get members get independent testing. These are groups that have been doing for quite a while, and sell total shitload of these products. My opinion.
 
You can never completely trust a faceless vendor who profits from selling to you, and you can never be certain that what’s in the vial is the same product that was tested in the COA.

What you can do is reduce your risk by doing your due diligence. Ask yourself:

  • Is the COA genuine and how old is it?
  • Does the product you’re receiving match the one shown in the COA?
  • Have independent third-party groups tested this vendor’s products recently?
  • Does the vendor have a strong, consistent recent reputation?
  • If it’s a new vendor, are you willing to pay for your own independent testing before placing more trust in them?
In the grey market, it’s probably not a matter of if something goes wrong, but when. The goal isn’t to eliminate risk—it’s to understand it and manage it as carefully as possible.
 
bluewater said:


In the grey market, it’s probably not a matter of if something goes wrong, but when. The goal isn’t to eliminate risk—it’s to understand it and manage it as carefully as possible.

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That's what I love about these groups. After a few minutes of reading posts, you can see that there are longtime customers who have become friends with the organizer. While I'd prefer something that didn't have the social-media noise aspect (pet pictures? C'mon.), it serves a purpose: it adds to the whole feeling of the place as a group of honest people in a warm, fuzzy place, all trying to reach the same goal. It even beats being called "dear" by a Chinese guy with an actress avatar.
 
Even if you buy a kit and test one of the vials , you have no way of knowing if your other vials are the same. There is always going to be risk associated with it. You just have to decide for yourself what you're comfortable with. Those COAs with the unique keys are valid tests done on those particular vials, hopefully from the same batch you receive but you just don't know for sure.
 
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