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Hey people 👋

Hoping to get a bit of clarity, even though I’m aware this is heavily different person to person.

I been on Reta for 1.5 years now, I’m currently in a big deficit and eating a fixed meal plan

I’m no noob when it comes to nutrition and training, my body fat is 12.9% and I’m trying to drop to roughly 9%

Problem is, I’m maxed out on Reta.

I’m taking 6 MG twice a week and i feel it’s very very quickly becoming less and less efficient.

Even adding in Cag.

Question to everyone is -

Who’s made the switch to Tirz?

Were you satisfied?

What was your starting dose when you went to Tirz from Reta?

Hoping it’s a game changing because I’m running out of ideas
 
I switched to tirz from reta (15mg). I combined it with cagri too, but cagri did not work good for me. I switched to tirz, because of reactive hypoglycemia. Tirz helped with tha a bit.

Now I am on Tirz 12.5mg and Elora 5mg. Elora is much better then Cagri.

I think Tirz works a bit better for me. Maybe I will switch to reta again in the future, but for now Tirz does its magic.
 
I say this as someone that us sitting below 9%, dropping to 9% bodyfat is not about the drugs. You have to run a consistent calorie deficit, period. If you do this you will lose, if you don't you won't. You don't get there without tracking and a ton of constantly. At 12% bodyfat it is time to start thinking about maintenance dosing and then fix your diet. Run a reasonable consistsnt deficit over time if you want to get lower. You say you know about nutrition, but running a steep deficit at max Reta doesn't seem like you do. I'm sorry, using high dose Reta (and other drugs) to try and race to shredded bodyfat is, frankly, not very smart. Learn to train and learn to eat if you want to get that low. Its like taking steroids and working out on a bowflex, may do something for you but nothing that you couldn't do for yourself and at a much higher health cost.
 
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I say this as someone that us sitting below 9%, dropping to 9% bodyfat is not about the drugs. You have to run a consistent calorie deficit, period. If you do this you will lose, if you don't you won't. You don't get there without tracking and a ton of constantly. At 12% bodyfat it is time to start thinking about maintenance dosing and then fix your diet. Run a reasonable consistsnt deficit over time if you want to get lower. You say you know about nutrition, but running a steep deficit at max Reta doesn't seem like you do. I'm sorry, using high dose Reta (and other drugs) to try and race to shredded bodyfat is, frankly, not very smart. Learn to train and learn to eat if you want to get that low. Its like taking steroids and working out on a bowflex, may do something for you but nothing that you couldn't do for yourself and at a much higher health cost.

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fair of you to say that bro!

Given the small amount of info I gave.

I should of elaborated far more than what I did..

Thanks for your input none the less.
 
I think for most people who need higher than standard maximum doses or combinations of GLP drugs, the risk is acceptable given the health risks of severe obesity are so bad that the possible risks of high doses are very unlikely to be worse, and nearly everyone needing higher doses or combos has severe obesity and still has weight to lose on maximum doses.

In answering this I am going from the current body fat percentage, if you started out with severe obesity 1.5 years ago when you started reta, I think it does change the risk benefit equations a bit but not a lot. The vast majority of the health benefits of losing weight are getting from severely obese to just obese and less so from obese to overweight, and after that from overweight to normal BMI it is complicated, and fitness possibly matters more than fatness at that point.

Trying to get to 9% body fat via glp drugs has 2 issues, one is there is zero research on the subject, other than anecdotal reports and bro science from meso, and health risks at 13% body fat are essentially identical to those at 9% so there is no major health benefit to offset the risks of higher doses or combos. Realistically those risks are probably low, of things like NAION or pancreatitis, but even rare risks in otherwise very low risk populations can still be a concern. It is not impossible that the health benefits of the drug occur even at very low body fat percentages, of further reduced risks of diabetes or heart disease etc, but it is not proven for any GLP drug in normal low risk populations yet, only in those with diabetes or pre existing heart or kidney disease, and even less so for reta and less so for those who are not overweight.

Compared to many commonly used drugs in bodybuilding, such as high dose androgenic anabolic steroids, high dose reta is likely on the safer side, but overall you would have to say that it is definitely possible that there are overall added health risks rather than health benefits to its use to try to get to ever lower body fat percentages. I would suspect that what you are trying to achieve might be better approached by optimising training and nutrition, despite my general belief that diet and exercise are not really a useful solution for weight loss in obesity.
 
JustMakeItHappen said:


Hey people 👋

Hoping to get a bit of clarity, even though I’m aware this is heavily different person to person.

I been on Reta for 1.5 years now, I’m currently in a big deficit and eating a fixed meal plan

I’m no noob when it comes to nutrition and training, my body fat is 12.9% and I’m trying to drop to roughly 9%

Problem is, I’m maxed out on Reta.

I’m taking 6 MG twice a week and i feel it’s very very quickly becoming less and less efficient.

Even adding in Cag.

Question to everyone is -

Who’s made the switch to Tirz?

Were you satisfied?

What was your starting dose when you went to Tirz from Reta?

Hoping it’s a game changing because I’m running out of ideas

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I use 8 mg tirz and 7 mg reta and it seems to work out well for me,
 
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