Chronic Pain

Elocin said:


This crossed my mind.. but was worried about possible reactions.

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While yes, KLOW can give you an injection site reaction .. its not all that bad. I will GLADLY trade a tiny sore spot on my skin every now and again for the amount of pain reduction I get from it. I mean before I discovered KLOW I let them inject cortisone directly into my knee cap trying to get relief from the pain. KLOW has done a MUCH better job and I just inject that into my belly fat. Its cheaper too. That one cortisone shot cost me $250 and I had reduced pain for about 3 months. I bought my kit of KLOW for less than $500 and I have been using it for nearly a year and still have 4 unused vials of it.
 
I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.
 
Crumplestiltskin said:


I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.

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Yeah I had a PRP +stem cell treatment in India
 
Smiter said:


And thats the problem with public healthcare like Canada and the NHS in the UK. You dont own your own body. I would look into medical tourism very seriously.

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Crumplestiltskin said:


I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.

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This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.
 
Elocin said:


This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.

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You're welcome. I do accept Visa and Paypal.. Oh yeah, fix the herniated discs, then look for PRP+stem cell. I did mine in Regencare hospital, Cochin, India.
 
Some possibilities, but not one magic bullet.

Tirzepatide is pretty well know for anti inflammatory properties and many find relief chronic pain.

KLOW supports healing, collagen, etc

HGH, likely 2 IU daily. After 6ish werks get igf1 and z score tested. Aim for z score of 2.

20grams daily if good collagen supplement. Research had been meh for skin quality, but pretty solid for joints around the 12-20 week mark.

Now the most Grey area, Anavar. Mild oral steroid. Im assuming you're female based on avatar. Can only run so much for so long before worrying about virilization. But promising for MS and healing in general.

I think a combo of the above with good physical therapy could do wonders. Problem is hard to find a good physical therapist that isn't 2 decades behind.
 
Elocin said:


This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.

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I hope you find something that works for you! I may be biased in my experience, but I've found even more basic medical care (checkups, etc) have had much higher quality doctors and facilities in Mexico.

A LOT of places now do video consultations, which can be extremely helpful in determining if you should/can seek medical care there.

Some other medical tourism considerations:

Dental work (especially big-ticket items like implants)

Surgeries; even with insurance, the premiums could be way higher than what is quoted. (And as I mentioned, you'll likely get a far more luxurious experience outside of your home country).

Radiology; out of pocket MRIs in Mexico tend to around $100, Xrays can be $30 ish, etc...

Other regenerative support like nutritional IVs

Prescriptions can be much cheaper; most do require a doctors note, but it can be fairly easy to meet with a doctor.
 
While stem cell therapies have a lot of interesting and promising research, they are not approved as therapies, or proven to be safe in humans at this time. ( except I think one for heart attacks in japan ) The obvious risk is of malignancies developing in the long term.
 
gusterbuster said:


Some possibilities, but not one magic bullet.

Tirzepatide is pretty well know for anti inflammatory properties and many find relief chronic pain.

KLOW supports healing, collagen, etc

HGH, likely 2 IU daily. After 6ish werks get igf1 and z score tested. Aim for z score of 2.

20grams daily if good collagen supplement. Research had been meh for skin quality, but pretty solid for joints around the 12-20 week mark.

Now the most Grey area, Anavar. Mild oral steroid. Im assuming you're female based on avatar. Can only run so much for so long before worrying about virilization. But promising for MS and healing in general.

I think a combo of the above with good physical therapy could do wonders. Problem is hard to find a good physical therapist that isn't 2 decades behind.

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Thank you so much!!
 
Elocin said:


Thank you SO much for this. The video was great. His story is really similar to mine. I am going to go watch a few more, and look into PRP.

While I am not happy that you can relate to being in pain, it is nice knowing I’m not alone and there are other people struggling/looking for relief like me.

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Well Hell, couldn't take the pain no more. Next month I have an appointment for some PRP injections. I'm getting my C2 thru T1 done, Trigger Points on my upper traps, shoulder blades and a Hydrodissection of the Greater Occipital Nerves, for my Migraines. The Dr is surprised I don't have any neurological issues at all and still have some good strength in my arms at this point. I just literally started to get some bilateral shooting pains, down my arms a month ago and figured I better at least go talk to someone in this field. He thinks, I have a 50-70% chance of a favorable/good outcome. I know that doesn't sound like the most optimistic assessment in the world, but from what little research I've done to this point I'll take that!

I'm getting this done in town, going out the country wasn't really in the cards and I almost reached out the guy in Arizona with the video I linked. I think he was going to be even more expensive and the Dr here was in Network and at least the intial vist was covered. I thought you might be interested to see how this goes.
 
RubbaDubba1 said:


Well Hell, couldn't take the pain no more. Next month I have an appointment for some PRP injections.

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I'm pretty sure there are hydrafil-type injections available. I think PRP will def help; the 'Hydrodissection of the Greater Occipital Nerves'' sounds like a very good option instead of nerve ablation.

anyhow, here's some AI info for you:

The Discseel® Procedure is a minimally invasive, outpatient treatment used in the U.S. to repair torn spinal discs (both cervical and lumbar) without surgery. It is distinct from "fillers" like HYDRAFIL or Discogel because it uses a biologic sealant rather than a structural gel.

### How It Is Used: The Two-Step Protocol

The procedure, typically lasting about 40 minutes under mild sedation, follows a specific patented protocol:

1. Annulogram (Diagnosis):

* Using X-ray fluoroscopy guidance, a physician injects a contrast dye (mixed with an antibiotic) into the disc.

* This step is critical because it reveals annular tears (cracks in the disc wall) that MRIs often miss. The dye leaks out of the tears, visually confirming the source of pain ("Leaky Disc Syndrome").

2. Fibrin Injection (Treatment):

* Once tears are identified, the physician injects fibrin directly into the tears and the disc space.

* Fibrin is an FDA-approved biologic (derived from human blood proteins) commonly used in surgery to stop bleeding. In this procedure, it is used off-label.

* Upon injection, the two components (fibrinogen and thrombin) mix to form a stable gel that instantly seals the tear, stopping the leakage of inflammatory disc material onto nerves.

* Over the next 3 to 12 months, the fibrin matrix acts as a scaffold, promoting the body's natural growth of new disc tissue to permanently heal the tear.

### Important Regulatory & Clinical Context

  • FDA Status: The fibrin used is FDA-approved for other medical uses (like sealing surgical wounds), but the Discseel procedure itself (injecting fibrin into discs for pain) is considered investigational/experimental by major insurers and the VA. It is an "off-label" use.
  • Cervical Application: It is specifically marketed and used for cervical (neck) discs to treat radiculopathy (arm pain/numbness) and neck pain, offering an alternative to fusion surgery.
  • Recovery: Patients typically walk the same day. Unlike fusion, there is no hardware implanted. Significant pain relief often begins within weeks, with full structural healing occurring over several months.

Good luck with your treatments, let us know how it pans out.
 
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